RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 14, 2016 at 1:29 pm
(This post was last modified: November 14, 2016 at 3:13 pm by Simon Moon.)
(November 13, 2016 at 10:22 pm)Mariosep Wrote: Thanks Simon for your agreement with me:
In excerpt from #775 Simon Moon Wrote:Yes, the act of reproduction is the cause of offspring being born.
You now see, dear Simon, that this causation is prevailing all over existence, and it is the evidence of an original first and ultimate cause, namely, God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
You continue to miss an important distinction.
The causation that is responsible for me, is creatio ex material.
In other words, my existence, from the time I was conceived until now, is a rearrangement of existing matter and energy. When my mother was pregnant with me, her appetite was quite a bit greater than when she was not pregnant. Have you ever heard the saying pregnant women use, "I am eating for two"? Where do you think all the nutrition form all that extra food went? It was converted into me.
But I don't think you believe that "god" created the universe out of preexisting matter and energy, correct?
You are most likely making the claim that your god created the universe from nothing, creatio ex nihilo.
So the question I have for you, which of course you will never answer, is why do you think that the causation that we observe within the universe, is evidence for causation for the universe itself?
You are committing the fallacy composition.
Quote:That is your acceptance of the proof from evidence, of God existing, again as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
No I'm not accepting your 'proof'.
I understand that the creatio ex material that we observe within the universe is not evidence for the creation of the universe itself.
Quote:Dear readers here, please take notice of the concurrence of Simon Moon to my proof of the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Here is another blatant example of your intellectual dishonesty.
I do not concur with your fallacious argument at all. You 'proof' is logically invalid.
Quote:And all that because he, Simon Moon, now realizes that there are babies, though he used to be all dependent on textbooks and never experienced with procreating one of them, he now knows the truth, the fact, the logic, and supported by the lessons of mankind in the history of ideas, namely, babies prove the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
Your illogical argument does not prove that, because there are babies, there is a god.
All you succeeded in proving is that your understanding of basic logic is massively flawed.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.