RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 15, 2016 at 7:44 am
(This post was last modified: November 15, 2016 at 7:46 am by Edward John.)
· God is the best explanation of the beginning of the universe.
· God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
· God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties in the world.
· God is the best explanation of the historical facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and God can be personally known and experienced.
· Something can't from Nothing. How did the planets form when the Big Bang explosion all of a sudden happen? After all, you don’t see round objects form when something blows up.
· Eternal Universe? That doesn’t work because the second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is running out of usable energy and if you doubt this, look in the mirror (you’re aging and running down just like everything else).
· Life can't from Non-Life. There is no evidence whatsoever.
· Order can't come from chaos. Something exploded and we’ll all here.
· Immaterial(thoughts) can't come from physical matter.
· Would you also agree that just because we cannot see God with our eyes does not necessarily mean He doesn’t exist?
· If God exists in our mind only and is the greatest possible being and object which no greater being and object can be thought of then God by definition is greater than our minds, Therefore God must exist. The ontological argument shows that if God even possibly exists then God actually exists. Which means God is existence itself.
I know you've seen all this a number of times now, but are you interested today? Do you agree that an open-minded person should be willing to look at all the evidence? If so, then are you willing to look at the evidence for God’s existence? “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). But why does God wants us to have faith? I can testify and God is my witness, if you do not have faith, rock solid faith, you are not likely to spiritually survive the coming demonic onslaught to planet earth in these end times.
Lets say God appeared to you in his glory, It's still down to your faith because, you have the option to believe that it was God or was just a hallucination. If it was a miracle, you have the free will to believe it was by chance or was of God or faked etc. Here is the key that so many miss today. In order to obey God's commands you must believe what God is telling you. Doubt in God's word is always the devils target therefore his target when he attacks you is your faith.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18
“I'll obey you when it's convenient for me...”, kind of belief isn't going to save anyone's soul. Rather, its just the grease that slides millions of nominal 'Unbelievers' into hellfire.
God is looking for people who will trust him, obey him and most importantly
love him. Trust and faith are key components of love and he is looking for us to
demonstrate these traits to the Lord.
Therefore God exists.
· God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
· God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties in the world.
· God is the best explanation of the historical facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and God can be personally known and experienced.
· Something can't from Nothing. How did the planets form when the Big Bang explosion all of a sudden happen? After all, you don’t see round objects form when something blows up.
· Eternal Universe? That doesn’t work because the second law of thermodynamics states that the universe is running out of usable energy and if you doubt this, look in the mirror (you’re aging and running down just like everything else).
· Life can't from Non-Life. There is no evidence whatsoever.
· Order can't come from chaos. Something exploded and we’ll all here.
· Immaterial(thoughts) can't come from physical matter.
· Would you also agree that just because we cannot see God with our eyes does not necessarily mean He doesn’t exist?
· If God exists in our mind only and is the greatest possible being and object which no greater being and object can be thought of then God by definition is greater than our minds, Therefore God must exist. The ontological argument shows that if God even possibly exists then God actually exists. Which means God is existence itself.
I know you've seen all this a number of times now, but are you interested today? Do you agree that an open-minded person should be willing to look at all the evidence? If so, then are you willing to look at the evidence for God’s existence? “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). But why does God wants us to have faith? I can testify and God is my witness, if you do not have faith, rock solid faith, you are not likely to spiritually survive the coming demonic onslaught to planet earth in these end times.
Lets say God appeared to you in his glory, It's still down to your faith because, you have the option to believe that it was God or was just a hallucination. If it was a miracle, you have the free will to believe it was by chance or was of God or faked etc. Here is the key that so many miss today. In order to obey God's commands you must believe what God is telling you. Doubt in God's word is always the devils target therefore his target when he attacks you is your faith.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18
“I'll obey you when it's convenient for me...”, kind of belief isn't going to save anyone's soul. Rather, its just the grease that slides millions of nominal 'Unbelievers' into hellfire.
God is looking for people who will trust him, obey him and most importantly
love him. Trust and faith are key components of love and he is looking for us to
demonstrate these traits to the Lord.
Quote:MysticKnight Wrote:And I will leave it at that.
- One of the greatest proofs is that our real true selves requires an absolute perception to exist.
- And one of the greatest proofs is by stages of praise and excellence, we know there is an absolute being who heightens and who is who the praise ascends to.
- And one of the greatest proofs is that no possible hypothetical Creator in any possible world can create morality out of nothing and without already existing, meaning neither can evolution, as evolution and everything it makes can be created by a Creator. This shows it's eternal.
- And one of the greatest proofs is that the good word ascends to him and hence proves his existence.
- And one of the greatest proofs is that our innermost secret is unknown by us but forms an essential part our existence and requires absolute perception and judgement.
- And one of the greatest proofs is our compare anaylsis to everyone must be based on truth but it's not, which points to a true judgement that maintains who and others are, rather then our bad judgement.
- And one the greatest proofs is that value to exist must get it's existence from absolute value and absolute value must be it's basis.
- And one of the greatest proofs is applying the Euthyphro dilemma to evolution.
- And one of the greatest proofs is our how we are blessed or cursed, and how blessed rain descends from the higher heavens in the case of blessings, and we are watered with one water though we are different trees in ourselves.
Therefore God exists.