RE: If there is a creator, so what?
November 17, 2016 at 8:56 am
(This post was last modified: November 17, 2016 at 8:57 am by robvalue.)
(November 17, 2016 at 8:04 am)Ignorant Wrote:(November 17, 2016 at 6:22 am)robvalue Wrote: Can you tell us what it is you do, that I don't, given the knowledge you supposedly have? Can you give me any real example, and of what benefit it is? [1]
Except marvelling at how important this thing supposedly is, I don't know what I could possibly do about it even if I wanted to. [2]
1) From one aspect, the knowledge does not give the ability to do "new" things that people without the knowledge can't do. The knowledge, instead, gives new REASONS for which to do things, reasons which more accurately correspond to reality.
From another aspect, the knowledge moves me to do things that people without that knowledge don't do, e.g. prayer. IF there is a god with whom I and everything else relates, then EVERYTHING communicates something about god through that relation simply by being-what-the-things-they-are. "Listening" to that communication is a very very basic form of prayer. "Listening" to that communication coming from your own personal relation to god is another. The benefit is knowledge of a reality upon which real communion/community may be built.
2) Well, perhaps the marvelling will lead you to other conclusions which might have import for the way and the REASONS for which you act within reality. Perhaps the knowledge about that relation will lead you to a life which is not merely fully human, but fully human in a way that overflows with god's own fullness?
Okay, thanks. As usual it's very confusing for me.
1) You pray by listening? What do you hear? What use is it?
2) I have no idea what you're even saying here I'm afraid. I'm marvelling at how there must necessarily be an abstract concept which describes some things I know are happening... and this will help me understand how I act? This seems a lot less efficient than simply studying myself in the usual ways; particularly studying human behaviour in general.
A life that overflows with god's own fullness? I have no idea what that means, or why I'd want it. I'm already as full to the brim as I can be with tautologies about being myself, and acting the way I act and so on. I can't be anything else.
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