RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 18, 2016 at 4:36 pm
(November 18, 2016 at 3:32 pm)The Joker Wrote:(November 18, 2016 at 1:56 am)Mariosep Wrote: So, let us all now focus our attention on the four causes which I from stock knowledge know about:
Efficient cause
Final cause
Exemplary cause
(Material cause - mentioned by Simon Moon)
First, what is cause and what is effect?
Correct me though, because my stock knowledge could be wrong.
I will just - and be patient because I am going to say things again and you will be annoyed, but no need to be annoyed, just analyze my thoughts on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas – I will just repeat that cause is that which gives existence to a thing that did not have existence, and that thing having come to existence is called effect.
There, you now know what is cause and what is effect, they are like, if I may use my most favorite illustrations and examples, cause and effect are like papa and mama as cause and babies as effects.
Papas and mamas give existence to babies, that is everywhere in life, starting at home with us all who started life in a home with our papa and mama – yes, of course nowadays routinely in the maternity ward of the local hospital when mama had her acme of labor and delivered baby!
Let me read of your reactions to this post from yours truly, then I will know how to proceed next, so that you will continue on with me, both sides you and I now linked up, instead of each side going into his alien direction, like - this is supposed to be funny, your side is full of cu** and sh** and fu** (no more, dear colleagues in this direction from your side).
What I expect from us both sides, is to think on the four causes, namely:
Efficient cause
Final cause
Exemplary cause
Material cause (Simon Moon is an expert of material cause, in particular of molecules as material cause of his own coming to existence and life, not his papa and mama.)
Later.
Brother, you are wasting your time here, can't you see that they are simply not interested. It's time you take a break.
Wouldn't you be? You are new but almost every day a theist comes here and opens a new topic using these debunked ideas that supposedly prove existence of some yet unidentified god. Stick around and you'll get bored by their distorted science (like "how can we exist if everything came to by by blind chance?" or "if stronger is better in evolution how come there are sparrows?"). I mean stick around for few more days and you'll get fed up with that repetitive shit and their utter inability to learn.
So since religious people don't like to read science books or learn about science atheists made internet memes for them to read, since they're short on letters but also contain pictures.
Like this meme that contains the usual shtick of shitty arguments that theist use. Please read it theists, I know it has a lot of text for you but it's like forum's FAQ on topics and ideas you're eager to use and hear what we think about them (and even this meme has been on this forum few hundred times)
![[Image: c272cb68c4723934b75ff45c109612cb.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i84.fastpic.ru%2Fbig%2F2016%2F1118%2Fcb%2Fc272cb68c4723934b75ff45c109612cb.png)
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"