RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?
November 22, 2016 at 1:16 pm
(November 20, 2016 at 3:14 pm)Mariosep Wrote: Please atheists here, and no need to use the words magic, magical, in your messages against God existing, just as with your foul language, that is not going to save you from the fact that you are always running away from the issue itself, on God exists or not.Now you are the one running away from the issue. "Magic" is defined as "the power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces". By its definition you ARE talking about magic. I know, you prefer to use the word "miracle", but that's a mental trick on your part to set your deity apart from any other supernatural thing. As I'm sure I've told you before, your God is not special to me. I will not give it special treatment. You see, your claims are as ludicrous to me as those of the Wiccan casting spells, which they are at least honest enough to actually call "magic". Your God is not special. He is deserving of no special consideration, no special words until you can PROVE he is. And even if he were special, even if I believed he were real, the word "magic" would STILL properly describe his influence on the universe. It's the right word, it's not just one you want to hear unless you can explain to me why it is not just special pleading on your part, insisting that I simply accept that YOUR deity is so super-special that while those OTHER guys do "magic", yours doesn't do "magic". Miracles are really something ENTIRELY different than magic for some reason OTHER than that you want them to be.
The word "magic" is being properly used in reference to your deity until and unless you can show otherwise. Hell, Moses even once cast the exact same spell as an Egyptian magician to turn a staff into a snake. Even in the Bible the works of your deity are no different from any other magic, they're just more powerful than other magics.
IN FACT, there actually IS NO OTHER WORD which works in all instances. A "miracle" is defined as "a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency" or "a highly improbable or extraordinary event, development, or accomplishment that brings very welcome consequences". In both cases those are "welcome" events. The flooding of the planet, the destruction of two cities, the earth swallowing up thousands of Jews who worshiped the golden calf, the plagues of Egypt...NONE of those things matches the definition for "miracle", and neither does turning a staff into a snake. None of those things are properly described as "miracles". Magic is the ONLY word there is to label those events.
So I ask you, if magic isn't the right word to describe the flooding of the earth, what is the right word? Of course I already know where your mind is going with this. "God's judgement". What about turning the staff into a snake? And before you call that a "miracle" do remember that Pharaoh's magician did the EXACT SAME TRICK! How is one magic and the other is not? Special pleading.
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