Prayer ... SERIOUSLY?!

[DeistPaladin]

I am well aware what Non Sequitur means. You misrepresented my argument though.

Please clarify it for me then. Perhaps I misunderstood you.

You are using a logical argument, “logic works therefore we should continue to use it” to answer the question why we should use logic. Circular argument.

Actually, "because it works for us" isn't a logical argument for why something is true.

Some believers say "I was addicted to drugs and then I found Jesus. Christianity works for my life. Therefore it's true." This is not a rational argument to convert to Christianity. This may be the reason he chose to be a Christian but it's not a rational one. It's a value judgment. It depends both on the presumption of cause/effect (that "finding Jesus" broke his addiction) and on someone deciding that being addicted to drugs is a bad thing. Personally, I agree but that's based on my value judgment on what I want to get out of my own life.

Maybe an someone might decide they like living in the Dark Ages, in which case the magical thinking of Christianity would work better to that end than science and reason. The fact that I like the results that science and reason seem to offer is not a rational reason to choose science and reason. It's based on my desires of the kind of world I want to live in.

Straw man argument, falsely assumes that Christianity and human reason are mutually exclusive.

We're discussing why we should use secular reason as opposed to Christian thinking.

This is an assertion, not an argument.

It's an assertion you dispute? Fine. Turn to page 1 of the Bible and tell me if Yahweh created plants and animals before or after creating man. Your answer must be consistent with both chapter 1 and chapter 2 of Genesis.

May the Hold Spirit telepathically guide you to the correct answer.