sexual orientation issue

[Zenith]

And I'll challenge them!
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I can feel good seeing an 8 year old sucking the dick of a 50 year old man. I also can feel quite good about incest. It doesn't strike me in either the same direction or at the same level.

Did you really see an 8 year old boy sucking the dick of a 50 year old man?

And why shouldn't the number of people who "practice incest" grow?

I ask you another question, namely, why should the number of people who practice incest grow?

If it was 'very disgusting' then I imagine you saw either an ugly woman or an ugly dog or both.

No, it was a young lady and a big dog (quite beautiful). I didn't watch too much back then so I can't give you too many details now.

3. sex with dead people (and perhaps, also with animals)
If it's about people, as long as they are not rotten, I guess it's pretty ok. though perhaps ridiculous and others can have a good time laughing of such a person. otherwise, yuuuckk!! (especially if they are animals)

It's not about people. It's about corpses. Which are inanimate as a steak, and couldn't care less what you do to them.

When I said "if it's about people" I meant "if it's about human beings", sorry if that was misleading.
Anyway, why would one desire to fuck a dead dog? For some reason it sounds very 'abnormal' to us. Would it be because such things do not happen to often in our societies and we are not taught since children to accept it as normal and natural?

4. minor sex (e.g. 8 years old)
I totally disagree with minor sex, ESPECIALLY an adult having sex with a minor (the laws are currently pretty crappy, as it seems, because they make illegal the sex between an 18 years old guy and a 17 years old girl), but the fact is that an 8 years old boy should never have sex with an adult!

Never? I can see plenty of reasons for it. So much for a fact.

Name them, then.

I believe the society must punish (usually, it does) such a thing.

Why must society punish this?

Because it has bad psychological effects to children. That's what I've heard at least.

As about sex between minors, that's also a bad thing. I'm not sure about the psychological effects, but I seriously don't believe it's normal or natural to do that at that age.

How is it a bad thing if there are no adverse psychological effects to having sex at a young age? I daresay without someone sexually accepting me: I wouldn't be here at all right now. Not a bad thing at all, by my reckoning.

I've also heard people having sex since ~10 years old (with children of their age) and they don't seem to have suffered some psychological things. I sincerely don't know for sure why sex between minors is really bad.

5. male homosexuality
I've once watched a porn video, at the thumbnail (or, how it's called, that small image that you get an idea what is about) I thought it's a woman sucking the dick while being fucked (that person was standing on knees and was also sustained by the hands). I started to watch the video, and I realized it was a man sucking the dick while being fucked in the ass. It turned by stomach upside down.

I don't know too much information about homosexuality (and here, by homosexuality I mean - as I talk about male men - to be attracted only by men, and therefore not to be attracted by a hot lady or have orgasm if you have sex with her - if a guy has sex with both male and female, he's not a homosexual, but a bisexual, and I can't understand that as "created so by the nature" or something).

Sounds to me like you've seen only part of *one* gay flick (incredible if you've spent much time on the internet at all)... I don't consider your distaste of it to be particularly secure.

Secure... for whom? for me? why?

There is a thing I don't understand about homosexuality however... that is, we're all capable of having sex with another male (think like this: if you do it, you'll receive $1000000, would you do it?), and perhaps most of us have at least once in their life felt attracted to another [male] man. Also, the first time I fell in 'love' with someone, it was a boy (well, I was 8 years old, and back then I didn't know about sex or even about kissing - but the fact was and it still is that the society where I live in do not regard such thing at all as something normal, so I also understood it as abnormal.). Anyway, the fact is that after some time I also started to like (or, love, whatever it was) a girl. The other interesting thing is that if you spend enough time (perhaps something like one or two years) only among men, and not women at all, you start to feel attracted to another male (or other males). The same happens in jail: male men stay together for years, with no women, and therefore they start to fuck each other. And if all women would suddenly disappear forever from the planet, 99%+ of men would turn homosexual. So I don't understand why or how the "homosexuals" (I talk about those males who never feel attracted by women) are more special than us. Is there a gay gene or something? I don't know, if a gay male says "I can't stop having sex with men" then 99% of the world population - that has started their sexual life - can't cease having sex as long as he/she lives, so I don't see a big difference.

This makes not one iota of sense to me... homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality. Both of them are misnomer groups created by people unable to come to terms with themselves.

Then why do some people claim that it is gays' nature to be gay? It's only "sex" after all.

female homosexuality
Female homosexuality... as long as the women are hot & young, it's ok. If there are two fat old ladies, yuuuuckk!!
Perhaps it's because I do get hot if I see two hot young ladies naked, so whatever they do, it's ok!!
(and yeah, I'm a male, if there is anybody who did not figure this out by now)

By the way, I've once seen a broadcast on TV, where a lesbian insisted how good and normal lesbianism is. The striking thing was that she brought as justifications the fact that "no man can understand me as a woman does" and that "as a woman, she knows where and how to produce me best sexual pleasure". I mean, if there are people that are homosexual (now, both men and women) because of these reasons, I think they should rather visit a psychologist or something!

It's true that most men can't understand her as well as many women can. But there will always be the special outliers.

And it is also true that women have an easier time understanding what they want than a man does what they want. Men can also understand men more easily than women can understand them. That isn't to say either is particularly complex (women are typically harder. Or softer, as it were).

The only reason to visit a psychologist is to get 2 little letters saying you are you. And stable, let's not forget that technicality. No need to fill up the psychologist with depression and especially not confusion... that's just getting in the way of the people who actually need to see them (the possibly insane, the transexual, the criminal, and a few others of similar severity).

I'm not sure I understand your point correctly. Do you agree the fact that being harder for men to understand women and being harder for women to understand men should not be a reason for turning homosexual (whether male of female)?

7. prostitution and paid sex
I don't agree with paid sex. There are women who prostitute in order to have food for their children, but I'm not talking about this situation (and many women also ask for food instead of money, because the laws in the state currently forbid being paid, i.e. paid with money, for the sexual services).

I think that if paid sex was eliminated, then a lot of pimps would also disappear (and I also heard that women & lads that are kidnapped and forced for prostitution are used for things such as clubs, though I don't remember 100% correctly all the info). Also the money that we use to enrich so many porn stars could be used to help children that are starving, children in africa and in poor countries, etc.

Hold... do you watch porn? Paid sex. Almost all of it.

You cannot eliminate paid sex. Control substances... sure: most will deal with that. Get rid of a primary incentive for sex by women? Crime will skyrocket and any non-totalitarian government will fall.[/hide]

It is true that I cannot eliminate paid sex. It would be the same as attempting to change this world into a perfect world (which is likewise an idealistic thing, a utopia). As about the skyrocket... the fact is that the senses are only being 'turned on' by porn (and they are not the only things that turn on). And humanity could not suffer due to a lack of it. Anyway, on the other side, you can find real persons on the streets.

And if I would be to chose between enriching a porn star and helping the poor children that are starving and have no future, I'd use that money to help those children have a future.

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8. What do you think about Asexuals?

Not my business. I've heard that there are even married couples that are not having sex. I'd call it madness, but it's their business.

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“I can see your point... what I can't see is why it matters to anyone but you.”
Sure, and perhaps you can’t see also why Holocaust jokes seem to bother mostly Jews.

Is there anyone out there, reading these comments, who may be willing to acknowledge that this conversation is no longer funny?

I'm not the kind of guy who's usually feeling amused, but if you are interested in my opinion, here are some points:
1. Your discussion (that topic) does not matter to me. I don't feel in any way regarding it.
2. You seem to expect too much of people (like, them to be like you).
3. People (now I mean, 95%+, regardless of race, religious views, etc.) don't care too much about having a smart discussion, with a desire that everybody would respect everybody and to try to be open-minded to things they disagree with, etc. On the other hand, something funny, superficial, also mockery sounds more attractive to people.
4. Regarding the holocaust & jews, it doesn't sound nice to me to make fun of such a thing. And if you ask me, I never heard a holocaust joke, it's only an opinion how I'd regard it.

“We aren't actually xenophobic. But I'd think a joke about the greedy jews is funny, and lazy blacks the same.”
And that is not xenophobic?

If that makes people regard the jews or the blacks as "bad", then jokes like that are bad. And yeah, displaying the jews as greedy is a method of doing that.
There are also jokes with gypsies, but as far as I know, these do not show them as "evil" or "bad" or "inferior" (they do not influence people see the gypsies in a certain bad way due to the jokes).