sexual orientation issue

[Zenith]

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[7] To quote George Carlin: Selling is legal. Fucking is legal. Why is selling fucking illegal? Two of my best friends are prostitutes. (Really.) The argument that "poverty drives women (and men) into prostitution" does not wash. (Neither of them is poor.) So we will solve the problem of poverty by taking away one of the few things that such a person can sell and making it illegal, rather than solve poverty?

I submit paid athletes, or ditch diggers, or garbage men, or anyone who works in physical labour, by the definition of 'selling your body,' (rather than proper usage: selling a service) is thus a prostitute. What does that make the organ donor industry (to which you must donate, then they turn around and sell your freely donated blood or organs for fantastic amounts of money)? Pimps? or businesses?

I do find it somewhat two-faced that a rising caste of prostitutes in the USA are women trying to pay for college. We will take away their ability to earn tuition money, rather than addressing the problem of tuition being too high?

If I take her flowers and chocolates, then to dinner and a show, and go home and boff her, that's a "date." If I give her $100 (the cost of all that stuff, which she can then use on anything she wants), that's illegal. If I spend that $100 on anything she wants, give it to her, then boff her, that's still a date. Nonsensical.

James

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I agree with you on this as some points... you know, giving a street prostitute a fine for prostitution won't change the situation, it would only make her earn less money. If prostitution is legal, then the government gets from her less money (some tax or something), or perhaps she needs to be registered somewhere as "prostitute" for that to happen. But the idea with paid sex itself is not nice (at least in my opinion). You know, if you don't 'pay' the girl, you don't have sex - I don't know, perhaps an idea that "sex" should be free (i.e. not payable) or something.

We also have the following situation: we have a poor man, who earns little money and can barely live his life with it - no hot chick is interested in him. And we have a rich guy who didn't do anything to be like that (he inherited from his rich parents) and no matter his age, all hot chicks have sex with him. It is clear that sex is always paid (or yeah, 99% of times). But... it seems that I'm the kind of old-fashioned guy who believes sex should rather be between people that love each other, than gaining a higher salary from your boss (by having sex with him), gaining some more money, a bigger house or stuff like that.

And selling sex is different than selling books or cookies - and I don't like the idea of selling your organs either, and I believe that a normal man, who can live happily with the money he has, wouldn't do that. It's because I believe that it has emotional implications - in other words, if we imagine a guy who would marry a woman because of love and not for money or other interests, then jealousy might be a problem (considering that the woman has been a prostitute all the days of her life). I don't know, if a man is to marry the person he loves, could he enjoy the relationship knowing that she is still a prostitute (and thus, she's still having sex with other guys)? If no, then why does jealousy interfere?

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4# hell no, Consent! 18+ or gtfo.

I really don't understand why it's illegal to have sex with a 16 or 17 years old girl. Come on, what girl is still virgin at that age?? And if a 16 years old girl is having sex with 16 years old guys, then why is it illegal to have sex with 20 years old guys?

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For dead people, it would be considered as desecrating the body (same law that goes against grave-robbing), which is also illegal.

What if they wrote in their will that they would give consent for people to fuck their corpse?

Who would do that? Would you do that? If yes, then why would you do that?

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1. What do you think about incest?
Should we consider it "good", "normal", etc.? How do you regard (i.e. what do you feel about that person, what attitudes you have towards him/her):
a) a man who slept with his sister?
b) a woman who slept with her brother?

I don't think we should consider it "good" or "normal," but I don't think we should interfere, so long as it is consensual and does not produce children. Even when the latter occurs, I am pissed off about it, but loathe to suggest legal interference.

How would you feel if you saw them doing those things and you knew that they are brother and sister? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.)

The first scenario would gross me out a bit. A saw a lesbian porn once that had twins in it. My curiosity was strong, then I was mortified. As for the latter scenario, I would be completely fucking disgusted by it. I wouldn't treat my family poorly, but I would try to avoid seeing that action as much as possible.

2. What do you think about sex with animals?
Should we consider it "good", "normal", etc.? How do you regard (i.e. what do you feel about that person, what attitudes you have towards him/her):
a) a man that fucked a goat?
b) a man that was fucked in the ass by a dog?
c) a man that sucked that dick of a horse?
d) a woman that has been fucked by her dog?
e) a woman that sucked the dick of a horse?

The ick factor knows no bounds. I cannot stomach it. No, it is not "good" or "normal." My biggest gripe is that we cannot typically ascertain whether the animals enjoys it. Therefore, it may not be consensual and may actually be animal abuse. I saw one case where a man was convicted because he seriously hurt a female dog while raping her. Ugh, I feel nauseous.

How would you feel if you saw these persons doing those things? (see live/porn - TV, computer) Should our society consider it "ok"? Why? Would you feel ok if these persons you have seen are part of your family? (mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, etc.)

Gross, sick, fucking disgusted. It is not ok, it is potentially rape. If it were a family member, I may turn them in like anyone else. I may feel more compassion and hope they get help, but I like animals. I don't think we should fuck them.

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Regarding "My biggest gripe is that we cannot typically ascertain whether the animals enjoys it": if the animal is fucking (doing the action) and the man/woman is standing still being fucked, then you can say that it was the animal's consent (it was not raped).

Anyway, a curiosity: why do you consider sex with animals as abnormal and incest as normal (or "not abnormal")?

And, a question for everybody: Some of us agree with incest, others don't. some of you agree with sex with animals, others don't. So the question is:
HOW CAN WE KNOW WHAT IS NORMAL AND WHAT IS ABNORMAL?
Or, by what exact rules or principles should we judge this? And how do we know that these rules or principles are the correct ones (that by them and by them only should we judge these things)? If one says "by the laws of the state", that is quite wrong because each country/state has its own different laws, and you can't trust the state/country to see things the right way every time. Or also... what makes us disagree on these things?
An obvious answer would be "if my stomach doesn't agree with it, it is abnormal" but unfortunately, this isn't an argument given by reason.

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As for your dildo, it is an inanimate object, no emotions, no life, so it doesn't matter.
As for consent, it is more difficult with children en people with mental disabilities, because for a proper consent a person has to be able to forsee the concquences of their actions to a good degree.

What the hell are the consequences of children starting to fuck at 8 or 10 years old? Everybody says that "they don't understand the consequences" but what exactly are they?? Don't you know anybody who has started his/her sexual life when he/she was a child? If you did, did you notice some very bad consequences they live now?