RE: So beautiful. And so he loves beauty too.
December 25, 2016 at 9:12 pm
(This post was last modified: December 25, 2016 at 9:40 pm by WinterHold.)
(December 24, 2016 at 5:38 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:(December 23, 2016 at 11:16 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Islam is an ancient religion that proved consistent in every culture around the world. In modern times we call it "Monotheism", surrendering to the single God dictated by the definition of Monotheism is exactly what the word "Islam means".
.
Islam is a relatively recent religion starting in the seventh century much after than all the other Abrahamic faiths and much much later than religions that can be considered ancient. Islam is more like Mormonism or scientology it started recently as a cult and spread, mainly by slaughter.
The religion claims otherwise, though. What I'm trying to do, is to go through comparisons to prove that Islam is nothing but a version, monotheism as an idea is the main belief.
Islam states, that monotheism was always present in the human mind under different names. It can be seen in this verse:
Sura 23
( 43 ) No nation will precede its time [of termination], nor will they remain [thereafter].
( 44 ) Then We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation its messenger, they denied him, so We made them follow one another [to destruction], and We made them narrations. So away with a people who do not believe.
( 45 ) Then We sent Moses and his brother Aaron with Our signs and a clear authority
( 46 ) To Pharaoh and his establishment, but they were arrogant and were a haughty people.
An explicit mention that messengers from across the globe, came telling their people about this religion. All had different versions to suit their reality and environmental factors.
Though, it's wicked humans who thought that different versions mean "personal property"; and took the faith to be a "nationalistic cultural pride thing".
So you get Catholic Nazi Gerrmany, Islamic Sunni Saudi Arabia, Islamic Shiite Iran...so on and so forth.
robvalue
Humans as a whole are violent, cruel and hideously violent.
Ever read this list?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_me...of_torture
Or. you're claiming that these violent acts came with Islam? most -if not all- torture methods in the list above -which is pretty much every way of organized torture-are found and commited by non Muslim lines of thinking; when you speak about violence my mind jumps to this immediately.
It makes me wonder: is giving your people a reason to fight huge empires -that do torture, kill & impale BTW-, is giving your people means of resisting outer invasions like the Roman and the Persian invasions, teaching your people to carve their names in the walls of history, teaching them the art of peace that they didn't even know about, is that violence?
So, Everybody gets to torture, then throw a bag of gold to silence the masses, but Middle Eastern people don't get Islam?
That, if we assumed Mohammed peace be upon him, is a liar. Though, I believe a total different thing. This prophet was sent from God, following the footsteps of Jesus peace be upon him, and Moses peace be upon him, up to Noah; peace be upon him too.
I want to speak about morals though. Yes; Middle Eastern people have one of the most violent cultures in human history. Note rob: one.
European culture produced a world war that took the lives of 50 Million people.
That's why racism is bad. We are all humans. If you take a bird eye view; humans without morals are the real violent folks.
If you want to stop violence; prevent death and pain. and human stupidity that makes them wave swords in battle for 'glory' and 'fake Gods' or 'the fake God'. Not ban Islam. Islam is not the problem. Humans are.
purplepurpose
No no no; I "believe" because:
1-Humans make me feel sick
2-This life ends so quickly
3-Always "More, more, more". I'm so thirsty. I need more
4-The agony of enduring the steps of living a short life -that in it, you watch your loved ones fade away-.
5-It's the utter truth.
Keeping this to myself, is like having the youth pill but you hide it.
About torture. I was born with Multiple Sclerosis.
chimp3
I hate monkeys; but personally I would be submissive to the truth; or else I'll get chopped by lies and illusion.
Being a man -or a woman
![Big Grin Big Grin](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Go ahead and be submissive in front of illusion.
Chad32
Just like laptops; a different version every year.
Mr Greene
Surrender to him; not me. I don't want you to surrender to me; actually I'll be a mad dictator if I do so.
Remember: only humans can be dictators. God is not human.
Tonus
That's only your lunges. What about your mind and logic? they need to surrender too.
Stimbo
The slap does come; and it usually causes death or hideous mutations, sometimes the slap causes both.
Manipulation of laws or personal traits to avoid or resist the slaps is what science is.
Though, knowledge tells us one thing: laws exist long before we came, or had the knowledge to overcome or resist them.
Thinking of how or when, or what the slaps are actually are, is also a big part of science. Calculating and measuring the amount of air an astronaut needs is one way going over the slap that is: suffocation due to existing the simulation grounds. it's the price you pay for challenging that law.
LastPoet
Astrega
Seeing the common pattern that is unified across the creations is the key. Things must be made; in nature itself there must be a source.
Until you reach the big bang.
Now, If you cross to before; you are entering a realm that is not even known by science.
I will tell you: God made the function called the universe; supplied it with the arguments that is fate; its creation was through a big bang.
That's what I understood from the Quran.
About him though; the idea of monotheism is that he is the creator of all. There is no others.