RE: What is the Point of Believing in God Without Religion?
January 4, 2017 at 10:24 am
(This post was last modified: January 4, 2017 at 10:25 am by Drich.)
Weak sauce.
Nice, easy pick'ns just got easier.
It simple states before there was time, God was. It further explains stars and the sun and moon was the start of time as the bible defines it.
Nothing is said about what happened before then, only God had a plan.
Yeah, maybe you ought to plot a time line from then to now and maybe make note of the word "schism."
(January 4, 2017 at 1:05 am)robvalue Wrote: The way I look at it, deism makes two unnecessary assumptions at a minimum:So now you are going anti Big bang as well???
1) Our reality had a cause
Nice, easy pick'ns just got easier.
Quote:2) That cause was an intelligent beingBible does not say any of that.
You can easily make more, as a lot of people probably do:
3) This being required no cause
4) This being created everything except itself
It simple states before there was time, God was. It further explains stars and the sun and moon was the start of time as the bible defines it.
Nothing is said about what happened before then, only God had a plan.
Quote:These second two preclude a computer programmer type situation, making sure it's the "top dog".once you broach any of this you are adding unnecessary assumptions. for example if God did not have a cause any before us even the universe does not have to have a cause. What happens when we place the goal posts back to where the bible places them? in that we do not know much about the time before Genesis concerning God.
Once you move beyond this, you're just adding even more unnecessary assumptions. The more you make, the less rational you are being, in my opinion.
Quote:5) The being is concerned with the human raceWe know God is indeed concerned about the Human race as He has expressed His concern.
Quote:6) The being is going to move us out of our reality when we die, into other realities, based on certain rulesyeah this one is a little messed up. In that we will be resurrected into this life, just a little further down the road.
Quote:7) The being interferes with our realityMessed up too.. "The Being" allows us to live in His reality somewhat unchecked.
Quote:...and so on. You're making more and more wild assumptions at each point. Of course, the theist will feel that they have justification for all of these, so they won't consider them assumptions necessarily.And of course the atheist would also feel they are continually justified in the argument that the universe need no cause if they too go off the creation or big bang path such as you have.
(January 4, 2017 at 9:37 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: You know your entire concept of Christ and Christianity was decided upon by men, right? Council of Nycea ring any bells?
Yeah, maybe you ought to plot a time line from then to now and maybe make note of the word "schism."