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I don't exactly feel the same way I once did.
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RE: I don't exactly feel the same way I once did.
At times I feel the same way, at other times I just don't care.  Often times I try to talk to "the other side" as a reasonable adult, but it doesn't work out very often.  In fact, I don't think it has ever worked out.  A constructive conversation is one in which both sides listen to one another, and I seriously do try from time to time, but I just don't get that from the other side.  Maybe they're trying as well, but they are so entrenched in their beliefs that it often makes them difficult and frustrating to talk to.  Take "logical proofs", for example.  They are often presented as "evidence", sometimes even "indisputable evidence".  But they always, always, always rely heavily on a particular, subjective interpretation of the facts.  Intelligent design, for example, relies heavily on "inferred" instances of design for which there really isn't any evidence, but simply inferring that they're right is somehow evidence that they're right.  It is infuriating.  The logical fallacy there is so blatant, yet utterly invisible to the believer that it just drives me insane, I get frustrated, sometimes angry and the conversation degrades.

And that's not even the worst of it.  You simply can't get them to see when they're changing the rules repeatedly.  They'll make one argument which dismisses facts and follow that with an argument that you have to use the facts, whichever is convenient at the time.  They'll argue for the inerrant necessity of accepting the obvious followed by an argument explaining why what is obvious is not necessarily correct.  The goal posts move, the rules change, definitions are loosened to support them and tightened to dispute me and they don't even use the same definitions from one conversation to the next.  The rules change constantly, always dictated by them, always in their favor.  It is absolutely infuriating to try to hold an intelligent conversation with someone so flippant with their view of reality.

So while I try to live by what you said, I fail more often than not.  The only other option is to just not talk to them at all, as far as I can see.  Hell, much of the time they won't even concede a simply mistake on their part.  A simple "I misspoke, that's not what I meant" must be avoided at all cost with accusations and ever newer and more convoluted claims about why they were never wrong in the first place.  Even though what they said isn't accurate or correct, it also wasn't wrong.  Ever.
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I don't exactly feel the same way I once did. - by Ryantology - January 25, 2017 at 10:55 pm
RE: I don't exactly feel the same way I once did. - by Amarok - January 26, 2017 at 12:18 am
RE: I don't exactly feel the same way I once did. - by Aroura - January 26, 2017 at 12:30 am
RE: I don't exactly feel the same way I once did. - by c172 - January 26, 2017 at 1:31 am
RE: I don't exactly feel the same way I once did. - by brewer - January 26, 2017 at 11:34 am
RE: I don't exactly feel the same way I once did. - by Alex K - January 26, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: I don't exactly feel the same way I once did. - by Regina - January 26, 2017 at 12:47 pm
RE: I don't exactly feel the same way I once did. - by Asmodee - January 26, 2017 at 1:03 pm

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