(March 1, 2017 at 4:48 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(March 1, 2017 at 3:49 pm)Drich Wrote: So.. you are saying you are not apart of Humanity? God left instruction directing all of Humanity to seek Him in a very specific way through the bible. Unless you are not apart of Humanity considered yourself told by an official messenger.
The thing is, Drich, that you cannot claim for certain that the bible (nor any other so-called holy book) is a set of instructions by god itself.

Uh, yes I can and did!
Quote:All we know is that some people wrote the books currently found in the Bible.Selective ignorance.
You can be as ignorant as you like with the bible. In that way it is a two edged sword. It's real simple sport try and keep up:
1) Jesus Says if you A, B, C The Father will send the Holy Spirit (God) to Help you.
2) So if one does the A,B,C GtS says do in the bible, and GtF in this current day, Sends GtHS Then what GtS/God-The-Son says can be identified as instructions from God.
Quote:Even if those people were being honest when setting those words on paper, we cannot be certain that they were not being influenced by other people.... let alone be certain that they were being influenced by a god.Again selective ignorance approach. Meaning your looking to vet instructions by trying to determine what was going on in someone's head 2000+ years ago.
How stupid is that?
If you got a 3000 year old cake recipe, would you honestly debate what was going through the baker's head when he wrote it down to classify the the cake as a cake or as a sweet bread? Wouldn't it be easier to simply follow the recipe and taste it for yourself??? Or are you saying the receip does not work unless you first know how a 3000 year old baker thought?
Quote:But we do know that many people write falsehoods...Again here's the thing sport. With instruction the way to vet them (to prove them true or false is to follow said instructions) is to follow them. Not to debate on what could be or maybe or what the guy who wrote them was thinking.
Instructions are a or b. They work or they don't.
Quote: even if they are rooted in the desire to help others, that doesn't make them any less false.... even if they, at first glance, seem true.
One famous example of such falsehood is the Geocentric model for the Solar System. When it was adopted, it accounted for the motion of most celestial objects well enough... it was a well-intentioned mistake.
How can we make sure that a holy book is not such a mistake?
IDK maybe someone study them see what they promise take up and see if a promise is a fit for you, if so see it though or here's a thought talk to someone who honestly has!