RE: Debate: God Exists
March 7, 2017 at 3:35 pm
(This post was last modified: March 7, 2017 at 4:04 pm by Drich.)
(March 7, 2017 at 3:02 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote:(March 7, 2017 at 2:43 pm)Drich Wrote: Really?!?!?Jesus gives you one-on-one time? Well I said a lot to him, but I never got a response. I was pretty devout.
Have you actually studied religion?
Of the top 10 I've actively studied 6, of those Only Christianity claims to put the average person in direct contact with God.
That is not to say other religions 'gods' don't contact people, but when they do there is something special about them which makes them prophets or emissaries, or whatever, or they are used as pawns. Christianity is the only religion that gives you one on one time with it's God. Other religions offer rewards for alliance/obedience. for those followers those 'spiritual rewards' are the reason for their obedience. Christianity offers audience with God, eternally.
If this is appealing or at the very least you want to know if what I said is true then simply A/S/K as outlined in Luke 11 and Allow Him to work with you.
So what, are you saying as we collectively understand God on a greater level, or as some of us fall back we are not allowed to seperate from each other and worship God to the best of our abilities?
The fact that we are all mostly pointed in the same direction speaks to a singular unifying point that keep us all worshiping towards the same point. How we do it was meant from the beginning as different as we are different on an individual level
Sent from my LGL52VL using Tapatalk
devout or not we will all have a moment before Christ.. That said.. That's not what I said. I said God gives you one on one time.
That aside, what does being 'devout' or rather what should being devout buy you? What if you were devout not to God Himself, but to his cousin Chris.. (meaning who you think God to be, his attributes Strength etc.) were not of God, but of a creation of your religion? Would God then be obligated to see your prayers answered the way you want make sure such and such went to prom with you, that you got the Iroc Z you wanted, that you mullet came in like Macgyvers ect?? What if the God of the bible, wasn't the God you were being faithful to? what if their were some key differences between the God you were worshiping and the God the bible describes? Would then the God of the bible be required to full fill the wishes you made to your God? If He did who would you thank the God of the bible or your God?
Are you familar with the parable of the wise and foolish builders what does that story mean to you, how does it apply to what I just said?
(March 7, 2017 at 3:21 pm)Nonpareil Wrote:(March 7, 2017 at 3:18 pm)Drich Wrote: Instructions are a or b. They work or they don't.
And, in the case of the Bible, they don't.
Anyone who claims that the Bible has given them a personal relationship with God is deluded. If they weren't, they could show a difference between their belief and simple delusion.
But there isn't any.
So they can't.
Like how? God does not work the same way with everyone. For some he has given them wisdom and understanding. To other He has given the ability to teach or to even love. Not in the way the you or someone off the street could teach or love more than another random person, but to degrees unknown to others all together. And even so you all are so easy to dismiss these examples even when the people setting the examples attribute what they did to God.
Which in of itself is a great irony that people who judge the works of other will find themselves being judged by.
I think The book of Eli with denzel illustrates this in a way you can understand/more readily accept. In the Movie Denzel's character Eli was a pretty big bad ass proficient in killing in 100's of different ways, all in efforts to save or preserve God's word. Not unlike a navy seal or some other proficient elite troop. But here's the thing most of you don't get. God did not use a seal to carry his book. He used a K-mart employ even after He was blinded inorder to full fill a role a seal team would find near impossible to carry out.
And depending on how you look at some of us here (christians in this forums) we too have stood as lions in sheeps clothing. I have seen one or two of us run and shut down entire threads where we act as one small voice against many, and as the days and even weeks click by we remain stead fast and answer our detractors line by line. while the opposition drop like flies. We being made to answer literally 100's of negitive questions that goes on for weeks while the best of you may exchange fire a couple dozen times.
Times how many subjects over how many years???
Again not to say you all can't argue the finner points, It's just I've yet to ever see one of you truly go the distance before you are tagged out by a buddy's counter point and you just fade away while the topic lives on.
Now put all of that on someone who couldn't read or write out of high school, then send in the diversity in the crowds of people over 10+ years of doing this, and am still here doing the same thing???