Four kids & mom of Catholic family die in a house fire.

[Joods]

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The difference between the media mentioning their religion and YOU is that they didn't take it and run batcrap crazy with it like you did. You have made all sorts of generalizations and have leveled accusations at religious people for. no. reason.

Sometimes you need to learn to let shit go. Not every person who is religious is bad, stupid, ignorant or an asshole. Quit lumping religious persons in the same category. This shit is getting old and honestly, being a logical person, you should know better.

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Reread my OP!  All that I did was to post a link and include information from it!!

Wrong. You did everything I'm about to bold in blue, below, including harp on religion. Since you wanted me to point out some things, here you go.
 

As for religious people being dumb, all that I mentioned is that religion is a "drug" (true), that is is a sickness (also true), but that some individuals can handle the cognitive dissonance better than others can (also true).  That's all that I said; I do not recall saying that "every person who is religious is bad, stupid, ignorant or an asshole".  If you can find where I did, please post it; otherwise, please retract your claim!!

As a reminder: I have pointed out your words by bolding them in blue.

Wood stoves are dangerous, especially, those located on the second floor of a home.  But, such is the mentality of some conservative religious folk.

Politicians who oppose such programs are stupid; ditto for people who vote and support such individuals.

Sure smoke detectors are a fine thing. Can't argue with that.  But that's not how you got all the push back in this thread.  You got it because you tied failure to install smoke detectors first to Catholicism and then to Paul Rand.

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A lot of these people feel that they do not need health insurance, let alone "government mandated" healthcare.  A lot of them do not believe in government regulations, even those which save lives.  A lot of them do not wear seat belts, motor cycle helmets, or bicycle ones.  Most of them deny anthropocentric global warming just as they deny evolution and the efficacy of vaccines, which they see as government influence in their lives.

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And, yes, conservative religion is very often tied into this.  If don't believe me, read their literature.  In fact, where these people live there are extremist Catholic groups:

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Jehanne, the difference between us seems to be that I'm confortable waiting for that report you reference before assigning stupidity to someone on the basis of their religion.

When I read the story, they seemed like they fit the "mold," but, yes, let's wait and see.  If the home did not have smoke alarms, well, it just makes me sick to my stomach!  I pity those poor, little children!!

Religion is a sickness, Catholicism in particular.  I have more respect for a typical drug user; at least they admit that theirs is a chemical fantasy as opposed to an intellectual one.

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I don't give a FUCK. You can say Catholics are the sick equivalence of drug addicts all you want, for all I care. But this?? This stunt you pulled is what infuriates me.  

Children just got burned to death, you cold hearted man. Children. Got burned alive. Along with a woman.  

And what do you do? You post about it here for the sole purpose of somehow proving that Catholics are stupid, because that family is Catholic and died in a fire. You're using the death of women and children as a means of attacking their faith. That is sick twisted, and disgusting. Not only is there a complete lack of empathy and humanity on your part, but you do the opposite, by going in for the attack and using their tragedy against them.

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Yes, indeed, I think that their faith killed them!  I think that such was the causal factor in their deaths. 

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Kind of like the Christian Science parents who refuse to take their sick kiddos to the emergency room while their lungs are filling-up with fluid from pneumonia.  Yeah, the truth hurts sometimes, doesn't it?  But, in the end the truth (small 't') will set you free!  And, I bet, the World will have fewer dead children!  And, for me, that's a good thing!!

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Religion of any kind is a public nuisance that needs to be eradicated! 

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And, as we all know, the less educated you are, the more likely you are to believe in dumb religious ideas:



And, yes, religion is bad for one's health and one's life, also, and that of one's children!!

You've yet to show that their faith is a cause in their deaths; indeed, you've acknowledged that you'll have to await reports from the investigation simply to see if your premise holds water ... yet here you are, quadrupling down.

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It's correlation versus causation, yes, but as we all know, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".  The first inferences that the association between moderate to heavy smoking and lung cancer was anecdotal.  Early surgeons who were performing autopsies on patients who were heavy smokers noticed deposits of thick, black tar on their lungs, and began speaking and publishing those results.  Later on retrospective studies began to be published, looking at past behavior, and finally, prospective studies, which were longitudinal that followed a randomly selected sample of persons from the present into the future.  In spite of all the thousands of studies, R.A. Fisher, perhaps the greatest statistician of all time, publicly rejected the claims that the association between smoking and lung cancer was causal.  Finally, the Academy started doing double-blinded, placebo-controlled randomized studies using animal models, such as mice and other rodents, and from that, the causal link was demonstrated, empirically.  In the mid-1960s, the United States Surgeon General settled the matter, forever -- smoking tobacco, to any degree, increases one's risk of lung cancer!

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Now, CL and others, will saw that one's religious faith, no matter how wacky, is orthogonal to living or dying.  It may be impossible to prove such an association empirically, but correlational studies abound that show that less-educated (hence, more religious) persons are more likely to die than more educated (hence, less religious) persons.  As for the family, in question, I admit that I do not know, but from what I have read, they appear to be traditional, conservative Catholics who are on the right-wing of the political spectrum, the type who supported Ron Paul (and, now, his son), the type that eschews and shuns government regulation and involvement in the lives of the citizenry.

But, yes, be sure that I will be following up on this one and have bookmarked this post for future reference!  If I am wrong in my hunches, then I will apologize to the board, publicly!  But, I suspect that the home did not have any fire alarms and/or fire extinguishers, and if so, such was due to the ignorance (and arrogance) of the parents, and yes, I lay that firmly at the feet of organized religion.  No apologies whatsoever for that!

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I know. This thread deeply disturbed me in the way it has been carried out and discussed by jehanne. That twisted line of thinking that jehanne has is just FUBAR.

Hey, I am not "targeting" anybody.  It was the free press that reported that they were Catholic.

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I'm not offering any new insights here, but the gist of the story was them being rather poor. Which is totally unrelated to their faith and has everything to do with them needing a wood stove to heat their house and not being able to afford any smoke detectors or other fire precautions.

The whole thing is on the same lines as some moron asking me in a very hot summer with many heat casualties among the elderly, why they hadn't got air conditioning. Uhm, maybe because stuff like that costs money?

Well, maybe five kids is too many, then?  I remember reading a bumper sticker where I live, "Can't feed them?  Don't breed them!"

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Personally I find bigotry and the need to persecute a group of people you don't know as being all the same and deserving of your mistreatment to be a sickness and reprehensible.  I condemn it.

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Fixed that for you.  Care to parade out your outstanding educational credentials which have led you to shit post this way?

I am not persecuting anybody.  As for my educational credentials, I have a Master's degree.

Nah, not really. The principle is attaching any faith to this tragedy is wrong. Hell, it could be a Ford Mustang forum, and it would still be horseshit. Where the shitty thinking is expressed doesn't change the fact that it's shitty "thinking".

Yeah, I do think that faith does lead to tragedies, like people flying airplanes into buildings.  I really have had enough of postmodern bullshit, haven't you?

Oooh I get it, you think being Catholics they removed all the smoke alarms because of their frankenscence habit!

And, so, I stand by my original statements, and yes, I think that their faith killed them, albeit, indirectly.

Guess I don't need to retract my statement now, do I?