RE: Atheists, what are the most convincing theist arguments you heard of?
March 13, 2017 at 4:20 pm
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2017 at 4:21 pm by vorlon13.)
Curiously, even from the get go during my 12 Steppers experience, never encountered anything that demonstrated any sort of a 'higher power' beyond peer pressure and repetition and setting a good example.
It is invariably presented as an 'overlay' of sorts, compatible with all religions and even agnosticism, and as such, even from day 1 I was aware there is no way it could be discerned as a confirmatory experience to demonstrate any God concept.
Sticking around long enough, however, I did garner the necessity and logic of maintaining the fiction of the 'Higher Power' thing. With most of the addicts who turn up, having sobriety attributed to an external agency as opposed to ones own endeavors/will power is a requirement for how the addicts brain is working. Any whiff of suspicion ones own will power is what's making it work instantly raises the point of well, if I can control it to the extent of teetotalling, why can't I therefore control it with the goal of moderation ??
And that never works . . .
Best to leave them thinking an external agency of any sort is responsible instead of themselves. Lest they die.
It is invariably presented as an 'overlay' of sorts, compatible with all religions and even agnosticism, and as such, even from day 1 I was aware there is no way it could be discerned as a confirmatory experience to demonstrate any God concept.
Sticking around long enough, however, I did garner the necessity and logic of maintaining the fiction of the 'Higher Power' thing. With most of the addicts who turn up, having sobriety attributed to an external agency as opposed to ones own endeavors/will power is a requirement for how the addicts brain is working. Any whiff of suspicion ones own will power is what's making it work instantly raises the point of well, if I can control it to the extent of teetotalling, why can't I therefore control it with the goal of moderation ??
And that never works . . .
Best to leave them thinking an external agency of any sort is responsible instead of themselves. Lest they die.
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
