RE: Atheists, what are the most convincing theist arguments you heard of?
March 14, 2017 at 4:03 am
(March 13, 2017 at 8:10 pm)Atheologian wrote: Wrote: I can say that the first mover had no cause (never began to exist). This argument doesn't assume god at all and doesn't beg the question. Part of the KCA is to deduce characteristics by logical analysis of the properties of this cause, so the argument demonstrates this first cause is uncaused, personal creator, beginningless (eternal), timeless, spaceless, changeless (immutable), immaterial, and powerful.
Except that it doesn't do that. It can be deduced that the first cause breaks the rules of causality,
that it existed outside space-time and was powerful.
Everything else is sleight of hand.
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