Debate: God Exists

[Harry Nevis]

I will wait until you relevantly respond to me. Calling me a troll because I point out your fallacy hardly gives the appeal that you are open minded about this. 
I will leave a few notes here:
Did you read the what the first person said? He said a Muslim claims to speak to Allah, that automatically proves my point. 
Sura 42:51-
[b]And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.
This verse was a response to Jews that were hostile towards Muhammed, claiming that he never saw Allah nor spoke to him literally face to face.

Because no one in that religion ever did.
Speaking to an angel and speaking to God is two very different things.

However, it is possible to speak to Allah through 'wahy' (Infusion of the heart). This is very similar to what Christians claim about speaking to God.

It's not what I am talking about, It's not what is offered by Christ in Luke 11..

Commentary here: http://www.islamicstudies.info/quran/maa...2&verse=51
But what really appalls me is your assumption that because Christians hold a specific unique belief, that they therefore have truth in their religion.

Swing and another miss 'smart guy.'
What I am saying is because Christianity hangs on a testable/falsifiable "unique view," Christian can and has been vetted over and over for two thousand years. It's not the claim that makes Christianity true it is that claim can be tested.Again when doubting thomas said he would not believe until He put his hand in the side of Jesus or his finger in the holes where the nails had been, is it your contention that Thomas did so from his "heart?"

Christ promises that the Father will pour out the Holy Spirit onto you. The Father will immerse you in "God." Granted this does manifest different ways, and at first it does start out 'with through the heart' business. However it does not end there. I, a no body in the grand scheme got to stand before Christ, (on my face with much fear and trembling.) And then daily interaction with the Holy Spirit. Not just a feeling or notion. I can literally be listening to the radio Ask a topical question and get it answered through the program. Or ask another and another show will have the answer. Sometimes as with Creation verse evolution. I get to see/watch how thing could have played out in a waking dream. Or another I was in over my head working on a car putting a new timming belt on and when I slacked the belt all four cams turned a different way. Prayed over that then physically watch each cam click one tooth at a time back into position. I locked them down and the car fired right up. (on a interference motor/Really big deal) Not to mention my contacts with 'messengers.' Again which is a completely different experience. Then in prayer/petition I know there is nothing I can't truly ask for and not receive. How ever I am fully aware of consequence, and the price to be paid for foolish things.  But more often than not I seek His will over mine.

And I'm no one special. God did not offer me anything He does not offer anyone else. He did not make me a prophet, He did not make me Apostle, a pope or even a priest. Yet my experience in my mind's eye I like all other bible based Christians have greater/stronger relationship with God than most head prophets did of other religions.

That sport is why I know Christianity to be true. I've experienced what has been promised. The 'other religions' you mention do not promise what Christ does. if so then pleae provide book chapter and verse. or concede the point.

Are you really serious about that position? I highly doubt you are using you are using your rationality here (or else I am mistaken).

why would I need to rationally plot a line of thought when I can draw on direct personal experience?

That is the difference between what you are doing and what I am. You are trying to rationalize the bible/Christian with a life experience that does not include God and presupposes that the rest of the world is so unfortunate.

What I am trying to do is broach the same subject with life experience that includes God's direct intervention.

That is why you rely so heavily on rational, logic, thought, science, because you can not see the map or directions that take you to God. Again what good are those honorable disciplines if your use of them do not allow you to see, you do not need them to simply follow to vet the instructions on the map for yourself.

Seriously if someone you trusted said meet me at the wal-mart closest to your house at 8:30 tonight and I'll give you 100K to spend how you like. Do you show up at 9:00 3 days later wanting your money? do you sit home and rationalize away all the reasons this offer could not be valid? Do you 'science' away the offer or the location.

Or do you honestly and simply show up to see if your friend will deliver?

Weigh the personal cost against potential benefit.

If potential benefit is greater than personal cost show up. if not then stay home.

If you choose to stay home, then know you do not have the moral right to then challenge your friend's offer, nor the right to demand he meet you on your terms.

That is the common understanding of it, and the symbol of it. 
You are making bizarre claims out of the mainstream.

My claims simply match the direction Christ left. Luke 11:1 Jesus teaches us how to pray. What He teaches is what I summarized (what you identified as not being mainstream)
So what if I were to ask you what if your idea of "Mainstream Christianity" is wrong? Is God then obligated to honor it, Honor/answer your prayers?

If I told you I saw the grand canyon and described the best I could it's full Majesty, then gave you directions on how to see it for yourself. Then you come back without lifting a finger's worth an effort with a "nut-huh, it don't exist" then isn't the burden of proof on you to disprove my claim?

False analogy.

Actually it is not. here is why:

If I tell someone that something outside of our current experience exists,

The experience of God is not outside what we can experience.

I am the one postulating it, and therefore need to justify it.

Again not a postulation. I am describing an experience of going to a place or more like meeting a person. The experience is a static one meaning it requires the same humility from us all. If we can humble ourselves to ask Seek and knock as outlined by luke 11 We have the opportunity to physically be set before God.

This example here has someone providing some form of evidence for this person and they refused to acknowledge it. If the person still denied it (after positive justification), I would say they should have a reason to deny it. If someone postulates something, they should justify and not call on someone to assume it and justify its negation.

 

Now re imagine my roll if I had been there. I saw the depth and beauty of it all. I can only describe what I saw. this is not some theory nor some guessing together patch work cobbobble. It is an experience. a very finite one at that. one that moves at a quick pace, even though you've been set on your heels by the whole thing and have a hard time taking it all in.

Your problem is you are arguing principles and ideologies when I am trying to get you to a physical place.

That's kinda how things work in court.

In court, you are innocent until proven guilty. Same logic applies here with theism.

Testable/falsifiable? How so?