Debate: God Exists

[Drich]

Drich, please don't interpret Quran without consulting the tradtions of the family of the reminder.

Let us see what those holy leaders taught us to say in the most well reported authentic Du'a (invocation) that we have from them:

My Lord, grant me complete severance of my relations with everything else and total submission to You. Enlighten the eyes of our hearts with the light of their looking at You to the extent that they penetrate the veils of light and reach the Source of Grandeur, and let our souls get suspended by the glory of Your sanctity.
My Lord, make me one of those whom You call and they respond; when You look at and they are thunderstruck by Your majesty. You whisper to them secretly and they work for You openly.
My Lord, I have not allowed my pessimistic despair to overcome my good opinion about You, nor did I ever lose my hope of Your benevolence.
My Lord, if my errors have degraded me with You, You may forgive me in view of my unqualified reliance on You.

Mysticknight please don't assume i quoted the Quran is such a way. Or rather more pointedly if you think I have misquoted the quran highlight the quotation. rather than make accuse me of something I did not do.

The quotation from which you speak of came from one of you. More specifically one of you quoted ask a haji web site. It was his answer His quotation and his admonishment of those physically hearing from Allah are indeed heritics as God has only spoke to man twice. Adam in the Garden and Moses. NOT EVEN MO_HAM Got To Speak with God.
http://islam.stackexchange.com/questions...e-directly

So then the Muslim logic being if our greatest prophet did not speak to God directly, then how is it an average nobody has not only speach but anything resembling what Christianity claims?

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Drich, please don't interpret Quran without consulting the tradtions of the family of the reminder.

Let us see what those holy leaders taught us to say in the most well reported authentic Du'a (invocation) that we have from them:

My Lord, grant me complete severance of my relations with everything else and total submission to You. Enlighten the eyes of our hearts with the light of their looking at You to the extent that they penetrate the veils of light and reach the Source of Grandeur, and let our souls get suspended by the glory of Your sanctity.
My Lord, make me one of those whom You call and they respond; when You look at and they are thunderstruck by Your majesty. You whisper to them secretly and they work for You openly.
My Lord, I have not allowed my pessimistic despair to overcome my good opinion about You, nor did I ever lose my hope of Your benevolence.
My Lord, if my errors have degraded me with You, You may forgive me in view of my unqualified reliance on You.

That does seem like it is directed straight to the deity of choice.

This seems to tinkle all over Drichs Xianities exceptionalist  view.

sorry to beat down your plumb but...
ﯸﯹﯺﯻﯼﯽﯾﯿﰀﰁﰂﰃﰄﰅﰆﰇﰈﰉﰊﰋﰌﰍﰎﰏﰐ
Sahih International
And it is not for any human being that Allah should speak to him except by revelation or from behind a partition or that He sends a messenger to reveal, by His permission, what He wills. Indeed, He is Most High and Wise.
https://quran.com/42/51

What mystic posted I believe (because he did not cite his quote, and I havent committed the whole quran and the side books to memory) was from a Muslim book of prayer or the quran's version of the psalms (Zabur)

What mystic wrote is the devout wish that God calls out to Him/the pray giver. (Keeping in mind the quotation from Sahih that says it is NOT God's intention to reach out to pee ons) Despite that we have in this personal prayer: The personal desire of an islamic prayer giver to want what Christianity has/Relationship with God. But read what he/Misty quoted again. Sadly no where in the quoted material does allah reach out to the people with a relationship. So much IS the Great Allah's silence the writter of this prayer admits falling into pessimistic dispare, because his God has not lift one finger, yet this prayer giver pleads for something some kind of direction and or sign... It's all on page there sport how did you miss all of that?
 

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You asked "how so" in response to being called absurd?  This load of crap is a perfect example why.  You're so full of shit, you're eyes are brown.

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actually no. Rational thinking follows the pattern of popular belief. otherwise The rational 'thinker' would take God up on his offer and allow God to open the flood gates.. To sit the rational thinker down before Him and speak with Him.

Here's another nugget of crap.  You amaze me.
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Again HOW is what I wrote considered to be absurd?

For example let's look at your 'nugget'

I know what you think the term 'rational thought' means. But let's actually break the term down and literally define what the word is actually describing:

ra·tion·al
/ˈraSH(ə)n(ə)l/

adjective

• 1. based on or in accordance with reason or logic: "I'm sure there's a perfectly rational explanation" synonyms: logical, reasoned, sensible, reasonable, cogent, ... more
  
• ▪ (of a person) able to think clearly, sensibly, and logically: "Andrea's upset—she's not being very rational" synonyms: sane, compos mentis, in one's right mind, of sound mind, normal, ... more
  
• ▪ endowed with the capacity to reason: "man is a rational being" synonyms: intelligent, thinking, reasoning, cerebral, logical, ... more
  

define #1 IN accordance with... Meaning follows the pattern of.. (You still with me?) logic and reason.

Rather than say logic and reason, Here I said popular thought. Or what people currently think is logic and reason. So why do I say popular thought rather than logic and reason? because logic and reason is a deceptive 'gold standard of thinking, when in fact it is just the herd's consensus. for example: "logic and reason"/popular thought stated the earth was flat just 700 years ago. Logic and reason told us just 100 years ago Man could not travel faster than the fastest horse could run without flying apart. Logic and reason demanded man could never fly, and on and on and on.

Know it or not you in all of your technical glory and all that you know will be looked at as a simple cave man if we are allowed to go another 1000 years with bombing ourselves out of existence. If your current logic and reason was any real type of gold standard of thinking, don't you think it would hold up, would their be examples that stand the test of time?

I am sorry if my efforts demand I seek out something alittle more solid as a way to broach and try and understand the world around me. Forgive me if I find the ever shifting sands of 'logic and reason' and absurd replacement for truth.

But that's what you guys do isn't it. you replace truth with logic and reason so you can push back the boundaries that truth demands just incase it demands you do something it does not like.

If I am to be considered absurd because I will not follow you of your cliff of 'rational thinking' then so be it. I'd rather be working in truth anyway.