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What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins?
(March 29, 2017 at 8:46 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(March 28, 2017 at 11:01 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: ... and that still doesn't doesn't make it pseudoscientific, because it doesn't pretend to be definitive across all people.

It can't be definitive across ANY people because mindfulness is first person and science is third person. Mindfulness is subjective and science is objective. Science is phenomenological and requires observers to collect data from the world they experience... but it can't collect data of experience itself.

So how, exactly, is it pseudoscientific? It makes no pretense at being scientific. It is a method for individuals to address their own emotions, not a means of interrogating nature.

(March 29, 2017 at 8:46 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(March 28, 2017 at 11:01 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: ... and that's the thing: we do have control over how we observe and accept things. Simply because you cannot do that doesn't mean it cannot be done. "We" is not encompassing; you cannot speak for those of us who use mindfulness to find balance.

But we don't have control over how we observe and accept things because we don't have control over out brain or motivation.

... says you. You really need to stop using that word "we". It's arrogant. You cannot speak to anyone else's subjective experiences. I certainly can control how I accept things. I sometimes fail my own ideals for this or that reason, but the changes that have occurred inside me as a result of being able to separate myself from my immediate emotional impulses have prompted many people to comment ... people who have known me all my life like my mother, or who like my ex- spent years putting up with my old self, thoughtless and mindless. It's not a perfect path and I do still fall back into old patterns of behavior, but the only thing you're doing here is answering my question ("why is it pseudoscientific") with unsupported assertions about the subjective experiences of people you don't know.

I can steer -- not control -- my feelings by understanding that my own observations aren't the only ones which matter, and by understanding the difference between things I can change and things I cannot change. I can control my motivation by assigning priorities to those things I determine are important, and ignoring those which aren't. In so doing, I can exert some control over my thought processes, which obviously includes emotionalism.

I understand that you have issues which I don't have to deal with, and no doubt they impact the way you approach things like emotions. I feel for you, I really do, because I know that when I'm caught in the whirlpool of emotions I generally display my worst and not my better sides. But I reckon that for that reason alone, you can only speak for yourself and your own subjective experience, rendering your statements above overbroad.

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RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Aroura - March 26, 2017 at 10:53 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Cephus - March 27, 2017 at 10:13 am
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by brewer - March 27, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Sal - March 28, 2017 at 6:04 am
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Thumpalumpacus - March 29, 2017 at 9:00 am
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Alex K - March 28, 2017 at 12:34 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Isis - March 28, 2017 at 11:09 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Alexmahone - November 29, 2017 at 12:44 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Succubus - November 29, 2017 at 11:52 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Grandizer - November 30, 2017 at 1:10 am
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Brian37 - November 30, 2017 at 4:21 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Brian37 - November 30, 2017 at 5:54 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Brian37 - November 30, 2017 at 6:17 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Angrboda - November 30, 2017 at 6:32 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by DLJ - December 1, 2017 at 5:16 am
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by SaStrike - November 30, 2017 at 6:17 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Cod - November 30, 2017 at 6:20 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Brian37 - November 30, 2017 at 6:35 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Cod - November 30, 2017 at 6:50 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Brian37 - November 30, 2017 at 7:08 pm
RE: What are your thoughts on Richard Dawkins? - by Cod - December 1, 2017 at 7:02 am

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