(April 1, 2017 at 1:14 pm)masterofpuppets Wrote: It seems that no theist answered my question properly. I'm not interested in responses saying God would never do that, or that God's implication is different. My question is simple. God is supposed to be the ultimate and perfect moral framework for everything. Therefore, in accordance with the situation of God telling someone that they 100% must kill someone, all theists should answer "yes, because God's intentions are perfect". If not, that is a contradiction of their beliefs.
Now here is the natural evolutionary reason humans when sane and rational don't do that, at least in the west where people are not indoctrinated with an iron fist.
Humans, like other primates and mammals protect their young. That is the short version. But having said that, we also know other mammals such as lions and zebras will murder the young of rivals. Just like we see in the OT God allowing the genocide of the Egyptian First born over a beef he had with a king.
Humans create religions regardless of the implications and contradictory nature because evolution is flawed, no not the science, but nature itself does not make us 100% knowledgeable at birth. The first thing we encounter in life our our parents. Back in antiquity life was much harder and the mortality rate was far greater, so it was much more of an imperative to toe the clan tribe line. The leaders of that group didn't know what we know now, so when the youth stepped out of line, they had the potential of hurting the entire clan.
The Abraham story reflects the tribal kingships of it's time, where city states competed for resources, this existed even in prior polytheism, and even before any written tradition. Nomadic humans existed before cities, and that was even harder. Is it moral to murder your own child? No, but again, that was then when humans didn't know any better and life had much more risk at a much younger age.
Time and technology has allowed us to be less dependent on loyalty and more focused on information. Loyalty is evolutionary, not biblical, not any holy writing in reality. Humans defend that which is local and we naturally defend our children, but at the same time, most parents see themselves as authority, and that unfortunately not always, but with more conservative families/nations, those parents as individuals can become quite abusive physically and verbally. Mental illness can also lead to that and or murder of one's own child.
But yea, in the context of the bible, this logic fails. If he is perfect and you claim he knows what he is doing and you say you trust him, logic would dictate you do it to be consistent. The real reason nobody sane does that in the west now, isn't just because the law says so, but because of empathy over centuries people got tired of the far right excuses and simply skipped the more violent excuses and loyalty motifs that once lead to more harsh actions.
I can remember even back in the 1970s an episode of Charlies Angels that addressed child abuse. Kelly had discovered a male cop detective who was hitting his kid. Back then while people frowned on it, the further back in history you go, punishment of a child was seen as a family matter to stay out of. "Spare the rod spoil the child" as the bible says. Very vile verse. There is a way to get a child to do what you want without being abusive.
