RE: A simple question for theists
April 3, 2017 at 10:23 am
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2017 at 10:31 am by Drich.)
(April 1, 2017 at 12:23 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(April 1, 2017 at 11:13 am)Drich Wrote: Here's the thing sport.
God told us not to follow any new or direct revelations if the contradict how we are told to live in the bible.
Book, chapter, and verse?
2 Tim chapter 3 starting @ 10 and going though chapter 4 ending at 8
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=ERV
There is a whole set up to this back of scripture. I do not understand why the chapter ended early/mid point. Anyway the crux of what is being discussed is where timothy can find the discernement he may need to navigate all the negitiv influences Paul is writing him about. This can be found in verse 16
16 All Scripture is given by God. (not just OT, as we live under the NT we are responsible for that as it has since been deemed Christian Scripture.) And all Scripture is useful for teaching and for showing people what is wrong in their lives. It is useful for correcting faults and teaching the right way to live. 17 Using the Scriptures, those who serve God will be prepared and will have everything they need to do every good work.
17 kinda sums it all up. If we seek to do a good work under God/a Work God would have us do, then it must by the book/scripture it must be done.
This is also supported in chapter 4:3 forward in that Paul identifies that their will be a time when people will want to stop listening the truth Timothy has derived from the scriptures, but Paul encourages him to stay the course even thought people aren't going to like what he has to say.
better yet in:
2peter 1:19 through the end of chapter 3
Peter illustrates by identifying false teachers of his day by using scripture against what these false teachers do and say. by the scripture he is able to identify several different sins from which these teachers build their ministries from.
So from Paul the over all "If you want to do a good deed for God a deed in which God has purposed for you (meaning along the lines of a life calling) then it is from the scripture (ALL OF IT NOT JUST THE OT) can you find ALL The info you need to COMPLETE Your task.
Then Peter delivers a sermon using what paul said to identify what plagued his own church/ministry. And He showed his congregation how 'false teachers' do not measure up against scripture.
(April 1, 2017 at 1:14 pm)masterofpuppets Wrote: It seems that no theist answered my question properly. I'm not interested in responses saying God would never do that, or that God's implication is different. My question is simple. God is supposed to be the ultimate and perfect moral framework for everything. Therefore, in accordance with the situation of God telling someone that they 100% must kill someone, all theists should answer "yes, because God's intentions are perfect". If not, that is a contradiction of their beliefs.
Again, the question was answered because again in 2tim 3:16-17, Scripture (all of it) is the final filter we have been given to discern what is and what is not God/Good.
We are not to simply trust something that claims to be God.
I'm sure Mohammad and Joseph Smith saw what they claimed and god one hell'va light show to "prove" what they were communicating with was of God.
However the content they were given did not pass though the filter of scripture. Yet they went on.
The same thing is true here sport. Despite what you claim God could or could not say, the personal revelation given (go kill "X") does not pass the filter of you shall not murder.
(April 1, 2017 at 2:02 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(April 1, 2017 at 11:13 am)Drich Wrote: Here's the thing sport.
God told us not to follow any new or direct revelations if the contradict how we are told to live in the bible.
If God told one of us to kill someone period apart from what the rule of law is willing t support, then what that person is talking to is not God.
The god of the bible orders death and commits murder personally on a fairly regular basis. So it is established that god has ordered death in the bible. If you would not commit a murder ordered by god because of your morality you are admitting two things, firstly that god is not the arbiter of morality and second that your morality is superior to gods.
Book chapter and verse please..
(Where He orders Christian to murder people.)
