(April 8, 2017 at 9:25 pm)Grandizer Wrote:(April 8, 2017 at 9:18 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even you Khem. I am even willing to grant that you would be justified in believing some things to be more praiseworthy than others. Belief in a transcendent hierarchy of values is, after all, a properly basic belief. However, a conviction that there is no ultimate transcendent value is in conflict with the opinion that there are values. All I am saying is unless you appeal to some transcendent source of values your opinion is unwarrented.
I don't see why values must logically have a transcendent source. It's logically possible for values come from within rather than without.
If you can show how this is rationally possible in a way or form, without God as the source, then show it. Otherwise, Theists here have all argued why it's not possible and we have shown clear reasoning on this part.
We didn't argue with arguments that we don't know how it's possible, therefore it's not. So please don't bring back the claim is on us. We have brought various angles and proofs showing why God is needed.
If you can show one possible explanation of how it's possible without God, then go ahead. You would have refuted one of the arguments from most of the Theists on here.
