(July 13, 2011 at 11:47 pm)theVOID Wrote: Omniscience and omnipotence are necessarily the same thing, you simply cannot have one without the other. However, when theists try and amalgamate "love", "justice", "personal" etc to the mix it all falls apart.I think you're mixing apples with oranges here. Either you're addressing Divine Simplicity or you're including a wider expression of human belief.
(July 13, 2011 at 11:47 pm)theVOID Wrote: And as you should have noticed, even when directly discussing the doctrine of divine simplicity we haven't even come close to addressing information and how it is precisely a measure of complexity, thus your response to my argument, that I have misunderstood divine simplicity, is completely false.Divine Simplicity isn't a doctrine as far as I'm aware. It's a proposition.
I simply don't think that you're addressing the subject accurately. Your summations don't relate to any known hypothesis, apart from your own. I am powerless to comment on an argument of your own making.
(July 13, 2011 at 11:47 pm)theVOID Wrote:I was attempting to widen the scope away from DS.(July 13, 2011 at 3:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: What does divine simplicity address? Material origins of the cosmos? A point of first cause? Are we talking about the primordeal soup at the beginning of the cosmos? Do we have to insist on a linear God to put him at the beginning? What about the God that 'just is'? How does timelessness fit together with complexity/ simplicity?
This makes it fairly obvious to me that I'm not the one who doesn't understand the concept....
(July 13, 2011 at 11:47 pm)theVOID Wrote: A plan is not a positive force, you agreed above that God has a plan. A plan is information describing a goal state of affairs and causal mechanisms for transitioning between states of affairs tending towards this goal state of affairs - this plan requires information to describe and the amount of information used to describe any given state of affairs is a direct representation of the complexity of the state of affairs.If God is 1st cause, then he can't be composed of more than one part. He is the first part. He's dependant on nothing. God is uncaused, so nothing could cause anything to unite.
white = red = yellow = blue = green
~or~
white = all colours together?
(July 13, 2011 at 11:47 pm)theVOID Wrote: What we are interested in knowing is "what was the state of affairs that caused the universe", the state of affairs you propose contained a non-composite god and a plan, this is a much more complex state of affairs than the vast majority of non-theistic state of affairs.Only in your construction which I think is innacurate.
(July 13, 2011 at 11:47 pm)theVOID Wrote: And you've misunderstood my example above, so let me try and clarify - Take a specific part of the bible that you believe is an accurate representation of God; God has an 'idea', he communicated this idea to one of the biblical authorsNot in my understanding. I may be wrong. But that's how I understand it.