RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 15, 2017 at 4:28 pm
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2017 at 4:37 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
Great story Aroura 
Also:
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My bold.
Not quite related... but still.
My username on Steam is also "simplybeourselves".... and my username on MafiaScum is WeCanSimplyBeOurselves. People call me WCSBO or simply "Simply", over there.
Hehe. Meaningless coincidences but fun nevertheless.
I do tend to feel especially semi-enlightened today.
Not true. Morals have objective grey areas... which means they're not absolute. But black and white are objectively on the same spectrum... the greys are objectively all in between.
If black=bad and white=good (to be a massive, massive racist for a second, lol) then the greatest possible misery for everyone=black... the greatest possible happiness for everyone=white.... and the greys are everything in-between.
Absolute morality would be to pretend there was nothing in between. Like there was black and white but no greys and there was heaven and hell but no Earth... that would be insane lol.
I agree with all of this.
Also:
(May 15, 2017 at 3:52 pm)Aroura Wrote: [...]
"The crucial point is that you can do so without feeling offended or insulted, because these people are simply being themselves. It is their nature to be critical and judgemental, so it would be absurd for us to take offense. It would be pointless for us to get angry.
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Sam Harris Wrote:Honesty is a gift we can give to others. It is also a source of power and an engine of simplicity. Knowing that we will attempt to tell the truth, whatever the circumstances, leaves us with little to prepare for. We can simply be ourselves.
My bold.
Not quite related... but still.
My username on Steam is also "simplybeourselves".... and my username on MafiaScum is WeCanSimplyBeOurselves. People call me WCSBO or simply "Simply", over there.
Hehe. Meaningless coincidences but fun nevertheless.
I do tend to feel especially semi-enlightened today.
(May 15, 2017 at 4:09 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:(May 15, 2017 at 3:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To be clear, understand some things are worse than others and some things are a grey area. That's not what I was saying.
If morals have grey areas then they are not objective/absolute.
Not true. Morals have objective grey areas... which means they're not absolute. But black and white are objectively on the same spectrum... the greys are objectively all in between.
If black=bad and white=good (to be a massive, massive racist for a second, lol) then the greatest possible misery for everyone=black... the greatest possible happiness for everyone=white.... and the greys are everything in-between.
Absolute morality would be to pretend there was nothing in between. Like there was black and white but no greys and there was heaven and hell but no Earth... that would be insane lol.
(May 15, 2017 at 4:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(May 15, 2017 at 4:09 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
If morals have grey areas then they are not objective/absolute.
By that, I just mean they are dependent on circumstances, but that they are still objective within those circumstances.
Example:
The morality of yelling at someone is a grey area.
It is objectively wrong to yell at a random person simply because you are having a bad day and need someone to take your anger out on, even though the person has nothing to do with why you are upset.
It is objectively not wrong to yell at someone you just caught abusing your child.
I agree with all of this.
