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morality is subjective and people don't have free will
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RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
(May 15, 2017 at 5:07 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(May 15, 2017 at 5:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yeah, probably. I don't see how someone can rape and murder a child, for example, and not have chosen to do so unless the person was seriously insane. Unless someone was holding a gun up to his head and making him do it or something.

What about more minor harms? Like yelling at someone?

If you stopped believing in free will would you start believing that yelling at someone when you're having a bad day but still shouldn't yell at them... meant you were insane?

Honestly, I'm not sure what would be running through my head if I stopped believing that people have the freedom to choose their actions. The notion that everyone has 0 control over everything they do makes no sense to me, so I'm not sure how I'd rationalize that in my mind if I thought it. As it stands now, when a person does something they had 0 control over, they were either forced, insane, or were dealing with some other extreme sort of circumstance that I can't even think of.

(May 15, 2017 at 6:00 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(May 15, 2017 at 5:13 pm)Aroura Wrote: Sadly, yes (subjectively, of course).  Society tells us what our morals are, and sometimes it can have some pretty fucked up morals, in our current opinion!

I think if the whole world thought killing the Jews was moral... it would still be immoral. Not from my perspective. If I didn't exist it would still be wrong because the suffering would be real.

Agreed. 

But who's to say that making someone suffer is objectively wrong though? 

While I agree with you that morality is objective, I don't understand how a person can have that stance if they don't believe in a Moral Law Giver (aka, a god(s) of some sort).
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will - by Catholic_Lady - May 15, 2017 at 6:03 pm

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