RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 15, 2017 at 7:37 pm
(This post was last modified: May 15, 2017 at 7:40 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(May 15, 2017 at 6:41 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:(May 15, 2017 at 6:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not sure I follow.
Ok, let me approach this from another tack. What does "objective" mean in the context you're using here.
My understanding is that it means "independent of opinion, reason, or mind". I suppose if you assert that your law giver has none of those qualities it works, however, I don't think a mindless automation is what theists have in mind.
Put more plainly, if the law is a product of a law giver's thought process, it is necessarily and tautologically subjective.
The difference between my opinion and God's "opinion" is that He's the one who created the world we live in and all of its Laws and how it works. We call it Natural Law. It's like me creating my own board game and designing how the game works and the rules that go with it. The rules of the game are integral to the way the entire game was designed to work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law
(May 15, 2017 at 6:35 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:(May 15, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But who's to say that making someone suffer is objectively wrong though?
Because wrongness and suffering are the same thing.
Says who though?
What if a child is suffering after the pain of getting a vaccine, why isn't that wrong?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
