RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 16, 2017 at 5:53 am
(This post was last modified: May 16, 2017 at 5:59 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 15, 2017 at 8:53 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Suffering is suffering, yes. But you were claiming that suffering = wrongness. I was wondering on what grounds you make this claim.
On the grounds that there are no instances in which suffering, in and of itself, isn't wrong and there are no instances when wrongness, in and of itself, isn't suffering (or the cause of suffering).
Quote:So then suffering doesn't necessarily = wrongness, as you said lol. Suffering can be for the better, and it depends on whether the person thinks some suffering to potentially improve or prevent something else is worth it.
No, it does=wrongness in my example. More suffering= more wrong than less suffering. Taking the vaccine minmimzes the suffering.
(May 15, 2017 at 8:02 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Are those God's rules moral because God commands it, or does god command it because it's moral?
I think that only in the latter case is objective morality possible. If "it's moral because God commands it" then that's identical to all amoral, moral and immoral things being treated in practice as if they're moral if God says they are even when they aren't. And there's absolutely no way to verify "because God says so" as actually moral.
If something is truly objectively and intrinsically moral then God is unnecessary and irrelevant. If what God says is moral is indeed moral it will only be so because He's stating things that are objectively moral with or without Him.
I find the idea that God is required for objective morality rather funny. It's quite the opposite.
