RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 16, 2017 at 10:17 am
(This post was last modified: May 16, 2017 at 10:18 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 16, 2017 at 10:05 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What about exercising? I certainly suffered when my cross country coach had me run endless laps around the trails. Both when I was doing it, and for the next 2 days of being incredibly sore. Also when I stayed up for hours doing homework in college, exhausted mentally an physically and with a sore neck.
If in the long run exercise gives you better physical and mental health and happiness then it's worth it.
Quote:What if you steal from someone and they never even notice you stole from them? Clearly you aren't causing any suffering.
They wouldn't suffer from it but they would have been perhaps happier if you didn't... perhaps a world where they still had what you stole they would be happier.
Quote: But stealing is still wrong. Same with lying or cheating, assuming no one ever finds out and no suffering comes from it.
No. The whole reason we believe it's wrong in the first place is because they are activites that hurt people.
Quote:I don't think suffering = wrongness, in and of itself. I don't think it makes sense to base morality on suffering.
I think basing out moral values on what we positively and negatively value is the only thing that does make sense. And ultimately all anyone cares about is the well being of themselves and others who they care about.
