(May 16, 2017 at 2:11 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote:
(May 16, 2017 at 2:07 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I don't care. Your arguments are invalid to me.
The fact you consider my arguments invalid to you personally is completely irrelevant to the matter of whether my conclusions are actually true.
Quote: Nope, didn't conflate
Yes you did. You asked me why I would bother to change if there's no free will. That's fatalism; not determinism. You conflated the two.
You don't even understand the difference between the two things you are conflating. Which is exactly why you are conflating them.
Quote:You believe that preceding events caused you to be who you are, not that all things are set. You can't change the past and causal events dictate, therefore you can't change.
Of course I can and do change. My motives are part of the causal stream that bring about changes in me.
You believe in the silly hocus pocus idea that our actions are "independent of" causality. You may as well believe in immaterial souls and magic.
Your conclusions are true, HAH. True in what sense within the confines of free will? That only means that they are true to you. Just because they exist as a philosophy position does not make them true.
From what I've read fatalism can be a part of determinism. How many times have I heard you say I can't or I'm not responsible or it's not my fault or I can't help it or some one/thing else is to blame. You are every bit the fatalist.
Explain "my motives are part of the causal stream". What motives?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
