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morality is subjective and people don't have free will
RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
(May 17, 2017 at 2:26 pm)Aroura Wrote: I've often wondered, do people who think they have free-will think animals do as well?  If you put a choice of different cat foods in front of a cat, can it freely chose?  


Good question.  In my own case, I'm always free to choose the food I prefer though of course I'm not free to choose which tastes I'll end of preferring.  Those I just have to discover.  But once I figure out what I prefer, I hit that sucker hard.  Well, so long as it is healthy enough and fits with weight goals.  Of course my weight goals too are a matter of the wildest luck in terms of the environments I've previously encountered.  Like taking that healthy eating course at Kaiser.  I seemed to have chosen to enroll in that and to follow up by going to each meeting of my own free will.  But really who knows what all circumstances might have led up to those 'choices'.  Hope that helps.

(May 17, 2017 at 2:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I think animals still do have some level of choice, especially the more sentient ones. I could be wrong about that though.

But I definitely think they are much more driven by instinct and more automatic programming than we are. We have the ability to think and rationalize in ways that they can't.


I actually think we are very much just like our animals in the ways I bolded.  We just overlay the process with a narrative which paints us in a more favorable light.  It helps to control the narrative.  My poor dogs have no choice about that.
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RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will - by Whateverist - May 17, 2017 at 2:40 pm

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