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morality is subjective and people don't have free will
RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
(May 17, 2017 at 4:46 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(May 17, 2017 at 3:48 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Supposedly, having true thoughts has some survival value.  I know, rite.  Go figure.

Well, it would seem that in order for that to work, the world would have to be intelligible and at least partially conceivable.

You're chasing your own tail, Chad. I never said that the world was completely unintelligible. All that means is that there is some order to the world. It doesn't mean, for instance, that all our perceptions, from sensus divinatatis to the moral sense pick out features from the world. That would be an absurdly hasty generalization. Nor does it mean that reason reflects that order like a mirror.

(May 17, 2017 at 5:19 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: People on the forum I posted are describing free will as the ability to make moral choices. I think that's the best and simplest way to put it. Of course, in order to do that we need to have a certain level of sentience, intelligence, and rational thought. Not sure if animals or any future machine have enough of all those things to attain the ability to make moral choices.

That reflects a doctrinal choice, that free will has to do with God's grace and our responsibility or lack thereof for said gift. As Whateverist intimated, tradition is the illusion of permanence; the fact that somebody before us has thought it through does not grant it any more gravitas.

Are you implying that the monkey isn't acting on a moral impulse? On what grounds?



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RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will - by Angrboda - May 17, 2017 at 5:22 pm

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