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morality is subjective and people don't have free will
RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
(May 18, 2017 at 8:40 pm)Aroura Wrote:
(May 18, 2017 at 8:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I received first communion when I was 8, so my Mom started taking me regularly after that. Before then, I used to stay home on Sundays with my dad because he didn't go to church regularly back in those days. Prior to first communion, I only went during school when we had little 30 minute masses once a month (I went to a Catholic school), or when it was a Holy day like Christmas or Easter and it was a family event.     

I remember being in church when I was super young, but coming to understand everything that was going on was certainly a process.

Oh, and no. No Sunday school, just Catholic school from Kindergarten to 8th grade.
Right, well of course kids don't fully understand it even at age 7 when the church says you can.  But your personal example seems a bit funny to give considering you are basically saying you didn't get normal exposure to it prior to age 8.

Most kids hear about it and learn about it well before age 8.  Look, the RCC says kids can be confirmed at age 7. Before you can be confirmed, you have to learn a TON of stuff and be able to recite it back. It's not a one week program.  
Most Christian children hear the word sin from they day they are born.  It's just part of the Christian vocabulary.  I'm glad you weren't exposed to it terribly young, though, you also aren't getting the nuanced meanings here.

Like, if I say I'm sad, or morose, grieving, or melancholy, they all technically mean pretty much the same thing, but they all have different flavors, and mean something slightly different.  

Sin is not directly equal to misbehavior, wrong, etc.  It has it's own very specific meaning, even more so than the sad example.

Just spinning my wheels, though.  Big Grin

Edited to add, Wait I somehow missed your addition.  You went to Catholic School starting in Kindergarten and never heard of sin?   Dodgy Hm.  sI went to a Catholic School as well, and it was a good one.  I have no resentment about it, I got a good education there.  But religious studies were part of the curriculum.  Like 1 hour a day, and sin is certainly discussed in at least first grade.  Kinder I don't remember much except sleeping and eating snacks, lol.

Confirmation doesn't happen at 7. You're probably thinking of first communion, which is what I had when I was 8. We had confirmation at 14. 

The RCC has established the age of reason as being 7. That means by then a person is old enough to understand right from wrong and can begin to have some level of accountability and can begin to feel and express remorse. 

As I said, I don't remember exactly how old I was when I first started hearing the word "sin", but I'm assuming first grade so age 6-7 like I said earlier. From what I remember, Kindergarten was mostly fun and games. By the time I did have first communion (age 8) I knew that sin = bad actions. And I knew that bad actions were contrary to God's will. But I certainly didn't understand all the nuances of sin such as venial sin, serious sin, mortal sin, original sin, and culpability until much later. 

What I'm trying to get at here is that I certainly wasn't instilled with the fear of Hell or told I was unclean or was sat down and given these heavy talks about original sin, etc, when I was a little kid. Learning about all these things was a process. It started with learning the basic meaning of the word sin, and went from there. 

It just seems like some of you are trying to push this idea that Christian parents generally scare and traumatize their toddlers and very young children with deep talks about sinfulness and Hell, which simply isn't the case.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will - by Catholic_Lady - May 18, 2017 at 9:18 pm

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