RE: morality is subjective and people don't have free will
May 19, 2017 at 1:31 pm
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2017 at 1:34 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(May 19, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Tiberius Wrote:(May 15, 2017 at 1:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So my question is this... for those who feel both these things are true - if there is no real right or wrong, and if people don't have the freedom to choose their behavior - then why do you get angry about people acting (or thinking) any certain way? After all, not only is there no right or wrong anyway, but these people don't even choose to act as they do.
So how can you justify being angry at the person who rapes, kills, steals, lies, cheats, is conservative, is religious, likes Trump, IS Trump, etc etc? Am I missing something?
Not sure if this has been pointed out already but apologies if it has (I don't have time to read 30 pages).
If there is no free will, then there is no need to justify any kind of response, because that response isn't a choice. So it's not like someone chooses to get angry because a person acts a certain way. They get angry that a person acts a certain way because that is the way their brain works and responds to that stimuli.
It's like asking a car why it goes forward when it's in gear and its gas pedal is pushed. It doesn't choose to do that, that's how the internal mechanism works.
Yeah, it was addressed, I forgot by who though. Mister agenda I think?
I'll see if I can find it.
(May 17, 2017 at 2:12 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(May 17, 2017 at 1:46 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I don't think I'm really in the categories you're addressing, and sorry if this has already been dealt with, but how is a person without free will supposed to act any other way?
I just figured if an individual has the knowledge that someone had 0 choice over what they did, she/he wouldn't feel angry at the person for having done it.
But Aroura already explained that while the anger does happen regardless, she acknowledges that the anger is not rational or justified.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh