RE: The Christian God is NOT simple.
July 18, 2011 at 9:09 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2011 at 9:32 pm by Trog31.)
(July 18, 2011 at 12:34 pm)Godschild Wrote: You are correct in saying God does not change and that His plan does not change, you miss the point though, God is perfect and thus His plan is perfect so there is no need of change. As for your map analogy you again have missed the mark, true a map is a guide but it takes some intellegence to understand the map, one also must be conscious of how a map works and have the will to us it. The complexity of the map has nothiing to do with how it is preceived, a complex map is a complex map and it is complex because it's designer made it that way, if the designer gives enough instruction to go with said map then the complexity becomes manageable for all that have the will to accept it and learn, thus having less problems following the map to one's finial destination. God therefore is more complex than the one desiring to follow His plan and he will take on the attributes of God so he can successfully follow the plan, therefore the relationship he has with God can be as simple or as complex as he desires. God is far beyond our understanding, if He wasn't then He would not be God, therefore God has revealed himself in a manner that everyone can relate to if they choose to do so, this revelation of God to man is called "divine simplicity."
Hmmm I don't think I communicated very clearly.
Try this:
The terms "Simple" and "Complex" are subjective.
They make a statement about the OBSERVER and not the OBJECT
For example: An internal combustion engine is viewed by
two people. The first one sees it as extremely complex and unknowable
The second one sees it as a simple device easily broken down and rebuilt.
The object itself has not changed, doesn't require anything magical or a divine will
You made my point exactly when you said "God is far beyond our understanding,
if He wasn't then He would not be God" God is beyond YOUR understanding
and that's why you attribute what you do to him, but how you see YOUR god
is unique to YOUR perception of him, just like the engine.
Something isn't complex because god made it that way, it's complex because
you SEE it that way. God doesn't need to be involved at all.
If you see the universe as complex, that's your PERCEPTION
it has nothing to do with the actual thing and it certainly doesn't infer a need for an
omniscient consciousness.
Because YOU see something as complex doesn't confer any meaning whatsoever to
what you are looking at.
If I look at the universe and say "It's so simple" what need is there for God?