(May 22, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote:(May 18, 2017 at 9:47 am)SteveII Wrote: Who is teaching a two year old that they a born tainted sinners? You are blowing this way out of proportion!
This is Steve all over. Says x, and then when x comes and bites him on the arse denies he ever said it. I wonder how many times the cock would have crowed for him? Well north of 1,000 at least.
(May 18, 2017 at 2:18 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: What?! The whole 2 christians? Yeah - that's definitely a representative sample...LOL...
2 christians, out of millions, who also frequent atheist forums, are not particularly bright, or informed, and who - for all we know - could be lying, in order to show their faith in a more positive light (I know, I know - that neeeeeever happens)... Yeah, no more questions about that, then...
What's worse is that Steve brought the whole thing up, by calling toddlers willful sinners (supposedly as a proof for god) and, now that this has been exposed as a callous and hateful attitude, he is rowing back on ever having said same as if the fact that it is documented on this thread that he did is of no consequence.
I have not changed my position one iota.
Children are not taught how to be selfish, hurtful, disobedient, dishonest etc. yet they are. There is only one possible conclusion--they are born that way.
Since in Christianity, we call those acts sinful, it follows: children are sinful. Sin is a description of an act/intention/or omission--and not a description of moral responsibility which is why I stated over and over that I do not think that young children are morally responsible for their actions.
I stated over and over that we (and nobody I know) teach young children that they are "tainted sinners". They get age appropriate explanations long after toddlerhood. If you find someone who did not give age appropriate information to the child, that simply calls into question good judgement--not doctrine.
