RE: Christian in need of help (feeling uneasy about God quote)!!
May 23, 2017 at 11:44 am
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2017 at 11:49 am by Harry Nevis.)
(May 22, 2017 at 12:59 pm)Drich Wrote: The values changed because they were wrong before... As they will change again because they are wrong now as well.. You just haven't been told to think that way yet.
The point being your 'answers' are only absolute till someone smarter simply says so and points to his new theory and it all starts again. All I am pointing out is the sand beneath your feet is as shifting as the sand beneath ours.
I guess sheep like you prefer to be told that nothing changes and nothing can be improved upon because....god. The sand under our feet is shifting toward greater accuracy and truth. You have nothing beneath your feet.
I love it when the Rosie O'donalds of the world pipe up and compare the science that makes a computer work as being the same fringe science that few this far out beyond the big bang in the scientific realm will ever agree on as being the same 'science..'
It just goes to show that one does not need to know anything about industrial sciences and untested scientific postulations to be 'atheist.'.
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And it just goes to show you that people can throw words around without knowing what they mean, and look like a moron doing it. I guess your being a moron is all part of god's plan...
(May 22, 2017 at 3:29 pm)SteveII Wrote: At some point you have to have a necessary being (in the sense of couldn't be otherwise).
Why?
(May 23, 2017 at 9:29 am)SteveII Wrote:(May 23, 2017 at 8:46 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: You cannot reason a being into existence.
And, "God did it" is not an explanation -- it is only a fancy way of saying "I don't fuckin' know." [1]
And, you're equivocating "explanation" and "cause". They are not the same thing. General relativity explains the relationship between time and space, but it doesn't cause a damned thing. [2]
Finally, the only class your god belongs to is "unproven horseshit." Until you can demonstrate his or her existence, you really shouldn't be making claims. [3]
1. This specific natural theology argument is one of many many reasons to believe God exists. It is part of a cumulative case for God. Other reasons include my list I've posted elsewhere:
Quote:Reasons that I believe God exists and Christianity best fits the facts:
1. Person of Jesus is compelling.
2. The NT describes actual events including the miracles, life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
3. God works in people's lives today--changing people on the inside as well as the occurrence of miracles.
4. The natural theology arguments:
a. God is the best explanation why anything at all exists.
b. God is the best explanation of the origin of the universe.
c. God is the best explanation of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.
d. God is the best explanation of intentional states of consciousness.
e. God is the best explanation of objective moral values and duties.
2. While I think 'explanation' is a more robust word, I don't think it matters. Insert 'cause' if you like.
3. See 1. I have lots of evidence and reasons to believe.
You have a lot of assertions.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam