(July 19, 2011 at 3:06 am)Godschild Wrote: If you look at the universe and say "it's so simple," then one need for God would be to show you how crazy you are. I do see the universe as complex and I bet I'm not the only one, yes it has everything to do with the actual thing (universe), the universe is extremely complex even if you do not believe it is, your perception of the universe makes it no less complex.
OK so because I do not see what you see I am crazy
and becasue you do not see what I see you are sane.
If a million people believe something, does that make it truth?
Truth is objective. Belief is subjective
(July 19, 2011 at 3:06 am)Godschild Wrote: God is complex because He is omniscient,omnipresent and omnipotent and yet it is through these that we are able to see and understand God and His plan, that is of coarse what our finite minds can perceive. You are actually proof that God is complex, you deny what you can not understand, you reject the divine simplicity of because you think it is to simple. God has not tried to hide Himself from you, me or anyone yet so many do not see Him, maybe it's because they are looking for something more than simplicity, I don't know, that is just the way it looks to me.
You BELIEVE he is omniscient, and omni-everything but that does not make it true.
I think you contradict yourself when you say that we are able to see and understand God
and his plan (what our finite minds can perceive). If God's plan is infinitely complex and
impossible to understand, ANY finite knowledge (no matter how vast) would amount to nothing.
To presume you understand ANYTHING about an infinitely complex being and plan is folly
I agree with your last statement "I don't know..."
Preceisely what I said- It is the way you see it, and others see it differently.
You see the universe as complex and insist that is the reason for god.
I do not see the universe as complex and therefore I do not see the reason for god
Because something is impossible for you, does not mean it is impossible for everyone.
To presuppose something (X is complex because I cannot understand it)
and then use that supposition to validate a claim (I cannot understand X therefore there must be
an infinite being) does nothing to support your position because the corollary
is just as true (X is not complex because I can understand it and therefore
there is no infinite being necessary for X to exist)
