(July 19, 2011 at 3:56 am)padraic Wrote:Quote:I do see the universe as complex and I bet I'm not the only one
So what? Argumentum ad populum (argument by consensus) a common logical fallacy much loved by apologists.
Perhaps I've misunderstood. .IE Trog argues there is no such thing as objective complexity, that the notion is relative. You argue the the contra position (?)
I agree with Trog in principle. However, I think that a god with the infinite attributes of the Abrahamic god cannot even be discussed in any meaningful way. That is not to say that ANY god may not be described or discussed. Eg the ancient Egyptians, Greeks and Romans had no trouble. After all,there is as much credible evidence (ie none) for the existence of say Osiris, Zeus and Deus Sol Invictus as there is for YHWH.
The statement I put in red seems to be discussed quite a bit, if there is no real understanding of God then how is it there is an entire book written about Him over many centuries by many different authors. Are you saying there is no such thing as divine simplicity or that God is to complex for one to understand or both. I understand God, not because I have the ability to understand an omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent being, but because He being those things can give me an understanding of Himself, thus the complexity of God is made divinely simplistic for us because He is so complex.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.