(June 1, 2017 at 3:11 pm)Drich Wrote: Because I can imagine the emptiness or lack of consciousness before I was born. and simply apply that to eternity future.Sure, and I'm not really arguing any point with you, only noticing that thios very darkness is what you seek to avoid by squeezing the god lemon. If there were no god...you'd just cease to exist. You're hoping for more (in fact you're sure of it). At the same time...some part of you probably fears gods judgement for this and that. At least sometime. It;s a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario with respect to the prospect of deaths difficulty, in your case.
It;s just that none of that, absolutely none of it..is going on in -my- head.
Quote:Because believe it or not I experienced the judgement and being cast into Hell ever it be for a short moment or two.Yeah, that hell you describe as nothingness, not demons poking people with sticks. So, again, no point in arguing, just making an observation. You want to avoid that. There are two ways to end up like that..god existing -or- not existing, but only one way to end up in heaven...god existing and letting you in.
Quote:I didn't when I was in your shoes either. Now I know better.Cool story? It just doesn't change that fact that I don't feel the way you feel, fear what you fear, or believe what you believe..so your comment regarding ease of death simply doesn't apply to me. None of the necessary conditions are true, of me...no matter how true they may be of you.
Quote:Well actually now that I know what to expect and have properly prepared for death I would like to think I should welcome it when it comes for me.Like I said before, more confused than I originally thought..but okay?
As I have no fear of oblivion nor judgement.
Quote:Got your judgement day defense straigeity down do you?? going to tell God off and put him in a paradoxical situation and freeze him from action are you?What judgement day? What defense. I doubt that I'll have to inform the lord of creation of anything regarding myself or my life if I ever met the schmuck. He should already know, being the lord of creation and whatnot. There's nothing I -can- do to effect that judgement, or trick that god..or whatever the hell it is you think atheists are planning on doing....the thought having crossed your own christ-addled mind?
Good luck with that one sport.
Quote:Just one question.. What if the attributes of God you are using to lock God into a paradox of morality are not attributes of the God of the bible/The God judging you?It's not god's paradox. God does what god does, god is what god is..if god is. I'm just telling you what I can and can't do.
Quote:You sure know/assume a lot about what you do not believe in.Okay, let's check. Is there a way for me to be saved without the death of the better man? If not, then I can't be saved. Pretty much the end of that right? I don;t need to know any more to know that it isn't available to -me-.
Quote:For me the 'fear happen' when I woke up from this life in the real world, and faced judgement. Because I knew if this much was true then I was not going to be there long. For the moments I was there I felt complete and connected. I knew I had made some very bad mistakes.Okay? And? What I;ve been trying to explain to you..is that no amount of any of these stories being true has an effect on me or my position....so no amount of testimonials, from you, is going to speak to anything that would apply to me.
Quote:Again now, I've faced both. I know where I stand and what I believe. There is no fear. I have been tempered and tested I know I am good one way or the other. You on the other hand reek of the same boisterous fear I had before I was judged. (Go back to my hell thread, and I too listed the reasons I was not afraid.) The thing with fear is you do not know how you will react until you have been tested by it.Hey, we finally made it to the important part, describing all the ways that drich is holier than khem. Well....no shit? You;re kind of the believer of the bunch, right?
Quote:Remember fear is the opposite of rational. You can only pretend to rationally tell me what you will do when facing your fear.Sure, fear can make people do strange things. Is that how the god of love and mercy plans to bring me to the fold? Scare me into doing what it wants..like some common waterboarder?
Quote:yeah, Good luck with that sport...............? lol
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