(May 23, 2017 at 9:45 am)SteveII Wrote:(May 22, 2017 at 5:38 pm)Zenith Wrote: What about they are living beings that, like all other creatures, first value themselves (selfishness)? It is the primal instincts of survival and the lack of ability to "read minds" that make them easily understand their own needs but harder to understand the others.
If disobedience is sin, then what is the virtue, slavery?
Why should obeying the "Do what I tell you!" be a virtue?
What if children are not "broken", but rather they grow and learn? And what if social skills are being learned rather than being built into their DNA?
And what if children need to disobey you in order to learn that they have freedom of choice, also so that they learn what happens if they do otherwise?
What if "wrong" does not equal "broken" but rather is an opportunity to learn?
You are rationalizing their actions, not showing that they are not that way by nature (which is and has been my point for this entire discussion). The fact would still remain that they ALL do these things and Christians (and most people) have defined these things as not acceptable in the long term.
Of course I rationalize them. That's the opposite of assuming one's nature is "evil" just because "the bible says so" The same as people rationalized about diseases and tried to find natural explanations when everybody believed that it was demons who caused them.
And if you claim that a child is "sinful by nature", then I believe that it is not on me to prove that it is not, but you to prove that it is.
