RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 12:24 am
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2017 at 12:27 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 23, 2017 at 12:08 am)nosferatu323 Wrote:Those can all be negated.Quote:Wait. You acknowledge that there are people who do not believe that the universe is god and you seem fine with it. Why then are you insisting that we accept the same thing? Do you call the universe god?I think you got me wrong. I'm just saying that there are some definitions of god which's existence cannot be negated like these:
- God is being
- God is consciousness
- God is the existence itself
- God is the universe itself
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Being is being
Conciousness is consciousness
Existence itself, is itself
The universe is the universe.
Quote:I think I understand your position and you also understand mine. We only need to settle this one issue. You see the point I want to make is that god is not something definite it's just a word.-and words refer to something...
Quote:people from different cultures have given different meanings to this word, some people in the human history considered god to be the universe as a whole. Please note that this is not a claim! this is simply a definition.Sure have.
Quote:You cannot negate a definition.What I can do, and have done, is negate an equivocation...because it's an equivocation.
Quote:Now I'm asking you: Why god cannot be the universe?Because the universe is the universe, identity.
Quote:what prevents the universe to be considered god?Nothing, but being considered a god and actually being a god are not the same proposition, so that would be irrelevant. People can consider a coke can a god. Pointng, then, to a coke can, does nothing to establish the reality of an existent god....it's still just a coke can, just like all of the little totems and trinkets and talismans and fetishes and shrines that people have worshiped -as- gods or the recepticle of the gods since time immemorial.
Quote:what definitions/characteristics/conditions do you have for god in your mind which are inapplicable to the universe?Lets start here, with what happens when you google.
Quote:God
ɡäd/
noun
- 1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
synonyms:
the Lord, the Almighty, the Creator, the Maker, the Godhead; More
- 2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.
"a moon god"
synonyms:
deity, goddess, divine being, celestial being, divinity, immortal, avatar
"sacrifices to appease the gods"
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