RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 10:51 am
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2017 at 11:12 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 23, 2017 at 10:42 am)nosferatu323 Wrote: I don't think this is true. The god Spinoza is talking about resembles closely the way god is identified in the Vedas.If you count the hits and ignore the misses, sure.
Quote:Furthermore there are branches in all Abrahamic religions that have very similar (if not the same) conceptions of god: Kabbalah tradition in Judaism and Sufism in Islam are more examples to support the argument the the god of Spinoza has been considered a god throughout other major religions.Judaim and islam, and all of their sects, are monotheistic religions..not pantheistic religions. It seems as if you're trying to liken the two above (or some sect of the above) to pantheism, or to spinozas "god" - but I have to be reading that wrong.........
Rephrase?
Quote:As I mentioned again before, the way I see this matter is that you are simply reasserting your subjective opinion that god and the universe cannot fall into one category.Not at all. I explained why god and the universe do not fall in the same category in the way that i utilize the terms, which is a more precise employment of language and therefore more informative than any ambiguity or equivocation. There are things that are true of all other things in the category of gods that are simply not true of the universe, and not even true of spinozas "god". For example...divinity. A common thread to god concepts worldwide, and throughout time. A god that is not divine is not a god in the same sense that all of those other gods are gods. Again..it's obvious that we aren't having the same conversation.
Quote:This is not true. This is a fact that god and the universe have fallen into the same category throughout the human history. This is a fact and is not falsifiable.That they have been placed in the same category does not imply or demonstrate that they were accurately or correctly placed in that category. The biblical writers, for example...thought that whales were either fish...or dragons. No one, in case you misunderstand, is arguing that no one has ever believed this nonsense.....Nos.
If a person uses a term or terms ambiguosly and variably throughought an argument, particularly so in the case of those two terms being categorically distinguishable..one has commited the fallacy of equivocation even if one -has- accurately communicated their actual beliefs. Believing in something, or that someone, somewhere, somewhen -has- believed in something, does nothing to establish that beliefs accuracy or falsifiability. You, for example...have been presenting many beliefs you have about pantheism, atheists, proper use of logic, the nature of words...etc; none of which are unfalsifiable simply for your having believed in them, most of which seem almost entirely innaccurate.
(June 23, 2017 at 10:42 am)nosferatu323 Wrote: The existence of the god that I believe in is a tautology. It cannot be false, hence does not need any positive evidence of its own.When you say "god", do you really mean "the universe"? Some clarity would be great, on that.
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