RE: A Question From Atheists
June 23, 2017 at 4:54 pm
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2017 at 5:09 pm by pocaracas.)
(June 23, 2017 at 4:14 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: 3. This seemed to me to be a nonsensical proposition, because I knew that god can refer to something which's existence cannot be negated. Like the universe.
I don't get it.... why are words being played with?
So, there's some group of people who decided to call the Universe "god"... Talk about overloading the word!
These people came relatively recently... at a time when the word "god" already had a meaning... not a very well defined meaning, but a meaning.
This overloading only serves to confuse the matter...
But these pantheists are hardly being innovative.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
God becomes a word. A mere word. What does that word mean? anything, it seems:
- creator of the Universe
- love
- consciousness
- life
- beauty
etc etc etc
Some of these things demonstrably exist... some aren't demonstrable.
The thing is that the word "god" can even be an umbrella word that encompasses all the definitions.
God is love - you believe love exists, right?! right! then you believe god exists, too.... and then begins the slippery slope where one would say "but god is also [whatever]". And then you must go back to the start, because then the sentence "god is love" is clearly no longer valid.
Then the argument goes on to say, but "god IS love.... and much much more"... and that 'much more' is what becomes unbelievable (word chosen on purpose - guess why)
That's why people told you on page one stuff like:
love is love
life is life
consciousness is consciousness
the Universe is the Universe
etc etc
Words matter.
If a word can be made to mean nearly anything, then it is a useless word... or one comparable to "everything".
Everything exists. Everything is the greatest. Everything is the word. Everything is love. Everything is hate...? yeah, it doesn't work.
Everything is the Universe... well yes, as far as we can tell. There could be more than the Universe, but we can't tell, so better keep that in the realm of speculation.
So we already have two words to describe everything.... one is a bit vague - everything - the other is a bit more scientific - Universe.
Why would we latch on here a word that traditionally has a very different meaning?... like anything out of or beyond the Universe. The purpose of this can only be to confuse the matter and lead people into the slippery slope I mentioned above and which's failure can be spotted by any thinking mind.
