RE: A Question From Atheists
June 25, 2017 at 9:27 am
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2017 at 9:35 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 24, 2017 at 8:58 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: Study can calm your mind with philosophical formulations, so you can start pursuing the quest of finding the answer of "how can god and the universe be identical?" in action.Are you ever going to get around to showing us any of those "philosophical formulations"? That would help. I'm certain that whatever they are they can be mind calming, ofc.
How is it that you, for example, think that god and the universe can be identical? It's really useful, and convenient, to have you here. Particulalrly if there;s some long and arduous process of studying and calming the mind before a person can reah that conclusion. You're the cliff notes. Everyone likes cliff notes. Thing is, they're only useful, and convenient, if we actually see them.
Quote:I think this is a very good argument. I'd say you are not part of this universe, there is no you, there never was, you are just an imagination in your mind.He would still be part of and in the universe, and he would still exist in the universe, even if he were just an imagination in his mind...because the term "universe" explicitly denotes -everything-, even the "imaginations in our minds". That's what the "uni" prefix means. What you are trying (and failing) to convey here can only be that he would not exist...as he thinks he does....in the universe. Well, no shit, most of us aren't half as attractive as we think we are, either.
Quote:The consciousness that you are experiencing in the present moment is not you. Inspect it, look very closely, what is you? if you look very closely and with enough persistence "you" will disappear and pantheism will start to make sense.You think that pantheism can be proven...by proving some -other- thing? That's not how that works. I also think that self is something like "an imagination of mind"...and yet pantheism -still- makes no sense. So how did that happen? I did what you said would work...and it didn't.
Quote: At first "you" comes and goes but with enough persistence it gets silenced forever and the universe starts to shine. I know this might seem nonsensical to you. But that's the best answer I can give to this question.
It is nonsensical. I won't be the only person here who thinks that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about...that your self has not been silenced, and that you've never seen the universe "shine". Is this, btw, one of those philosophical formulations? If something is shiny it's a god?
If that's the best answer that you can give...the best answer you have isn't a very compelling one.
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