A Question From Atheists

[The Grand Nudger]

I think there is a misconception, I'm not following a logical reasoning here. I do not want to prove anything I don't think I can and I don't think it's possible. All I'm doing is it to suggest, merely suggest (and not prove) that universe can be perceived in an alternative way.

Following "a logical reasoning" is important even when you aren't attempting to prove something..and..btw, you are, you're trying to prove that an atheist cannot say "I don't believe in god" coherently in the face of the god of pantheism.

-In case you forgot. 

Obviously, we can, and I have.

I also introduced a simple technique that can help the individual to achieve this perception which you found displeasing I suppose. So this is what I try to say:

1. There are many people who claim the universe can be perceived in a drastically different way (I know this is not a proof or anything)
   
2. They claim this happens when the "I thought" is removed (this is also just a claim nothing more)
   
3. Some of these people suggest various techniques that anyone can employ to remove the "I thought"  (these are very definite, precise techniques) 
   
   All that I'm saying it to suggest that if anyone is interested, they can try these techniques to see if the above claims are true. I'm not trying to prove that you should do that. I can't and I don't want to persuade you either. This is merely a suggestion. Please note that you can actually go and practice those techniques and see if they are true. I completely understand that you might not want to put time and effort on something that you find unfounded and nonsensical. There is nothing I can do about it and I absolutely respect your opinion. But please understand that if the claim of these individuals is true, they don't have any way to "prove" to you, they can't let you see their subjective universe and verify their claim. If you want to make sure whether their claim is true or not, you should try it yourself.

There's no need for me to put time and effort into yogic meditation, or any of the other wooster shit you believe in (the pile seems to be growing by the day, in spite of your initial protestations),  in order to arrive at a conclusion that I already arrived at...through study of the actual subject, and an ability to both understand and communicate rational thought. I understand x, somehow...I;m still here, somehow, the universe has failed to shine, and I still don't believe in any gods...not even the pantheist god.

Now how do you think that happened?