A Question From Atheists

[The Grand Nudger]

Don't you think it might be deleterious for an organism to be able to exert the kind of control over it's most vital functions that is being described as a result of meditation? 

There are some rather serious studies about physiological transformations of practitioners of meditation. You can check the out. I have very little knowledge about biology so I do not talk about it.

I don't know that you have to know a whole lot about bio to comment on that one, honestly.  We're just spitballing, anyway, it;s a ideline.  Can you think of ways that posessing this ability might go wrong..is all I'm asking?

Once it turns off there is no agency, once it's turned on you will perceive the agency to turn it off again if you want. 

So, with no agency..what does the turning on again...that was the question.  How is it that the guru returns to tell the tale?  

Because that's not natural?

Right, but...if we have that ability, if there's a switch somewhere in us that can be activated or even potentially malfunction..then -why- isn't it natural.  That's what I'm asking.  Why don't we see it more often, or..really..at all?

It seems with prolonged meditation many things is possible. But once the "I" is removed there is no agency and all this stuff will be irrelevant. 

It seems relevant, to the people on the bus, to my body lying on the savanah...to just not eating some bad shrimp and ghosting out into oneness with the universe..you know?  

Lol... I don't know we should try and see. The experiment is pretty hard to produce though...btw, people who attain to remove the "I" are identified by "good" characteristics. whatever that means. That's just the natural consequence of the shift in consciousness.

Natural....consequence?  Well..that's what I've been asking about.  Wouldn't the very existence of this ability in human beings have natural consequences?  

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Ok I'm sorry, I was playing just some language games. I was never THAT serious. 

I wish I could say that I was surprised.  

If your get shot, do you still perceive the universe as one as you are bleeding to death?

It's not like the movies, lol...you don't lie there getting philosophical.  You go into shock. Most people piss themselves..in my experience. I certanly wouldn;t trust any "feeling of one-ness with the universe"...or separation from it..reported by someone who was bleeding out. Cheifly, because..you know...they're bleeding out. A fair few of their sensory and cognitive systems are deeply compromised, at that point.

You don't really have to sit on the ground. Really. And you don't need to be quiet either. That's just easier that way. And they sit on the ground because they don't have chair. What are you doing now? Aren't you sitting? It's just about keeping the awareness.

What's "keeping the awareness"?  That sounds alot like agency, like a self.