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A Question From Atheists
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(June 25, 2017 at 11:41 pm)nosferatu323 Wrote: Once the "I" is gone nothing can go wrong. You are no longer "concerned" about anything. The "I" is no longer there to "die" or to "experience pain" or whatever. 
Well, obviously, but what about all the other people..on the bus I;m driving?  What abou the people who depend on me, after I get eaten by the lion?  I don;t know, but it seems to me as though there would be a notable effect, things would be happening in the world...if we had this ability, or this sort of self switch.   Most of them very, very bad™.

Quote:the lack of agency doesn't mean you are gone silent. The guy drops the "I", and watches the dropped "I" becoming a guru, prophet, etc. and telling others weird and nonsensical stuff. Turning on the agency is a different story, some say it's impossible.
Hopefully, none of those who say that also claim to have achieved this state......because that would be perplexing.  I still can't determine in what meaningful way the I is gone?

Quote:Your current state is natural, and you will naturally step into the next stage of your evolution when the time comes or in other words you'll get retired from the chain of evolution, since evolution will be irrelevant when "I" is gone, in other words you get liberated from Samsara and attain Nirvana, in other words the Lord forgives you and pulls you out from the depths of hell and you step into his Heaven, etc.
The next stage of my evolution?  Is this ability a mutation.....?

Quote:The "I" is dropped and with it all of its concerns. What can go wrong? The Universe is perfect.
The universe is suddenly perfect for the simple fact of no longer having my self in it?  That seems harsh, lol?

Quote:It's not about getting philosophical. Once the "I" is gone, it's literally gone. You can watch the dropped "I" slowly die in pain in absolute peacefulness.
That doesn;t sound like a bit of a contradiction in terms, to you?  Again, though,. this is kind of what I;m talking about.  Why don;t more people die from meditating, or from this switch being accidentally flipped?  Why is it that it takes getting shot, for example?  What's holding it in or keeping it from malfunctioning all the other times?  

Quote:persistent practicing to keep the awareness makes sense and is necessary as long as "I" is there. Once it is dropped, There will be no agency to "keep awareness" or to do anything else.
Okay.  So, again sort of spitballing..but would that mean that involuntary functions of the body would or could continue?  Breathing, for example?  Where are the mysteriously comatose guru bodies......or just random joes on the street.  Vegged out, completely gone behind the eyes, as it were...but breathing?
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A Question From Atheists - by nosferatu323 - June 22, 2017 at 5:03 pm
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