A Question From Atheists

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, obviously, but what about all the other people..on the bus I;m driving?  What abou the people who depend on me, after I get eaten by the lion?  I don;t know, but it seems to me as though there would be a notable effect, things would be happening in the world...if we had this ability, or this sort of self switch.   Most of them very, very bad™.  

What other people? There are no people. There is the Universe, nothing else. When your "I" is dropped other's "I"s are also dropped.

That doesn;t follow..and if it were true..."I" wouldn;t be here if just one single guru had ever managed to achieve that state.  I feel like I;m not getting the question across to you adequately.  

Nothing can go wrong in the Universe. Does things go wrong in far space or in deep sea? The notion of "wrong" emanates from the fear of death which depends on the "I", once it's gone nothing can go wrong.

When I say "go wrong" or "very bad" I mean...why don't more buses crash, why aren't there more consumptions by lions?  These would be things that at least -could- happen.

The I is gone when you realize that it is already gone? The I is gone when you realize that there was never an I? The I is gone when you believe it's gone? The I is gone when you let it go? can you make any sense out of it? You'll somehow need to face a voluntary death. One aspect of emphasis on "martyrs" in different religions is to symbolize this for the mass.

IDK, I don't seem to have had to voluntarily face death...just read up on modern nueroscience.   

We are pre-supposing the existence and inexistence of "I" at the same time. There is no way to get rid of the contradiction through out our talk. The only solution is to drop the assumption that I exists. You ready?  

It's just not doing anything for me, the oneness switch isn't getting thrown, is all.

Clearly not. "being retired from evolution" is more appropriate. 

Right, especially if the bus crashes, or I get eaten by lions.

The Universe has always been perfect, was there any imperfection in the formation of our galaxy? the perfection and imperfection are irrelevant when you consider that there is only "the laws of nature" and nothing more. The "I" only obscures this fact.

Seems like a deepity, but still it's not what I'm trying to get at.

The Universe watches the dropped "I" dying in pain with absolute peacefulness. You can pick this one, at least the contradiction is gone I guess.

With it's universe eyes?  

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Why someone should die because of an accidental switch?

Because they could...theres just no end of situations in which a malfunctioning (or even properly functoning) switch could lead to death.  Let me try to put it another way.  We can choke to death on our food.  Because we -can- choke to death..on our food, a certain number of us -will- choke to death on our food, every year.  Wouldn't the same also be true of this self switch?

These accidental switches might be the kind of "spiritual experiences" people report, they drop the "I" temporarily and after they pick it up they attach all sort of their personal brand of delusions to the experience. The experience itself isn't anything "spiritual" of course, because that word doesn't mean anything. I still don't get it why you expect people die because of malfunctioning?

Because we do.....die, from malfunctions in such critical systems.  Here again, though we see some notion of them "picking it back up"..but how, what; the failsafe or the reset on that?  Presumably, if we have these sort of ability...there has to be something keeping it from malfunctioning most of the time..ad there would be some way to reset it - or...seriously, alot of us would just be cabbages.  That;s what I;m wondering about.  Where are all the cabbages such an ability would ensure with certainty?

In fact there is no "malfunction" in the Universe, the Universe just works they way it works, there is no other "proper way" to compare the Universe with it and conclude that it's malfunctioning. 

Tell that to the people who choke on their food.

I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. The normal functions of the body involuntary or voluntary will be there, without the "I"  the "voluntary" label is gone though. Please clarify it If I'm not getting what you're saying.

Right, but, just because the I isn't there to do the voluntary stuff (as if it does anyway..god, don't you know anything, lol? )..whatever that is, that doesn't mean that the involuntary stuff wouldn't keep humming along, would it? Lights are on, but nobodies home situation?