RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new
June 27, 2017 at 8:34 am
(This post was last modified: June 27, 2017 at 8:40 am by SteveII.)
(June 26, 2017 at 5:11 pm)Chad32 Wrote:(June 26, 2017 at 3:40 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your whole premise is flawed.
1. God did not create evil. Evil is the absence of good. As Augustine said 1700 years ago: "Evil has no positive nature; but the loss of good has received the name 'evil.'"
2. Giving people free will mean giving them the ability to choose evil.
3. Creating a world of creatures without free will would be pointless. Everything would be deterministic and essentially robotic. No love, no companionship, no meaningful relationships.
4. God does not send us to hell. Because God is completely both Holy and Just, we cannot be reconciled to him without having something cleanse us of our unholiness. He has provided such a way. If we refuse the free gift, it is us who send ourselves to eternal separation from God.
Your premise is quite flawed as well.
I believe there is a verse that says he does, in fact, create evil. But even without that, he does claim some things he doesn't like is evil. He creates us with the ability to choose to do things he doesn't approve of, and calls those things evil. Even if they're things that are fundamental to our physical and mental health. Whether he personally throws us into hell or not, he's still responsible for that place being there, and for torturing people in fire for eternity, according to mainstream christianity. This is why people compare him to a mob boss that destroys your establishment because you didn't pay him protection money. Or an abusive parent/spouse. Calling him holy or just is a pretty wild claim, given his actions.
No, there is not a verse that says that. If your talking about Isaiah 45:7, then you need to read the context and translation--it means discipline.
If evil is not a thing but the absence of a thing, it was not created. Everything you mentioned as examples of evil are the absence of God's will, characteristics, desire, or presence.
(June 26, 2017 at 6:20 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote:(June 25, 2017 at 6:53 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: God never lost control; the Quran mentions it clear that this life is nothing but a test.
Even demons were his creation; after all. Satan, too.
Have you ever offered a reply that wasn't a vapid useless Q-tip erm Quran quote?
(June 26, 2017 at 3:40 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your whole premise is flawed.
1. God did not create evil. Evil is the absence of good. As Augustine said 1700 years ago: "Evil has no positive nature; but the loss of good has received the name 'evil.'"
2. Giving people free will mean giving them the ability to choose evil.
3. Creating a world of creatures without free will would be pointless. Everything would be deterministic and essentially robotic. No love, no companionship, no meaningful relationships.
4. God does not send us to hell. Because God is completely both Holy and Just, we cannot be reconciled to him without having something cleanse us of our unholiness. He has provided such a way. If we refuse the free gift, it is us who send ourselves to eternal separation from God.
1: So god is not all powerful
2: This eliminates all knowing
3: In your world view life is meaningless, this all pointless, Just accept christ and move onto eternity
4: Sure he does, It's even laid out in your book of fables how to get there and all of the other fun eternal damnations.
1. That is a mis-characterization. He has chosen to limit himself in favor of free will (which is clearly the theme of the entire Bible).
2. No it does not. There are several ways to explain God's foreknowledge of what we will freely do.
3. That is to completely mistake my worldview for that of an atheist. I believe people have intrinsic value and purpose not granted to them by circumstances.
4. Then you should read more before you attempt to argue against what you don't understand.
