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If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new
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RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new
(June 28, 2017 at 6:43 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 25, 2017 at 1:12 pm)Aliza Wrote: Blasphemy in Judaism isn't the same as it is in Christianity, but your description is close enough. Thank you.

Still... What do Jews believe they are being tested on? (It might be appropriate for me to mention at this point that I'm an educated Jew.)

You are playing word games.

It does not matter the religious label, worldwide if you push any group far enough with criticism or ridicule, enough in that group will get angry that you are  pointing out the flaws in their logic. Jews not having a hell does not change that their head character is stolen from prior Canaanite polytheism. It also does not change the fact they also have their sects and individual families whom also are extreme right conservatives whom also are sexist and homophobic. And if you think there are no far right Jews in Israel whom have the same "all or nothing" "us vs them" mentality as their conservative Muslim counterparts, you'd be wrong.

There are also extreme right Hindus and Buddhists. I can show you stories of Hindus assaulting and murdering others for killing cows. I can show you stories of arrests in Asia for blasphemy of Buddha. 

Don't get stuck on labels. Our species behaviors are in us, and this is the problem WORLDWIDE. Humans far too much get focused on their camps and refuse to understand that even within the same umbrella labels, there are competing sub sects that don't agree on how to follow or who to follow when it comes to the umbrella label.

While you CANNOT rid the world of any group, it has to be said that religion itself, is a horrible way to conduct political diplomacy. It can only be managed and protected EQUALLY as a human right, but it should not get a blind pedestal free from criticism. 

I don't give Jews a pass either. That does not make me anti Jew, or anti Israel, it merely means when it comes to flaws in logic, or justifications for violence, I DON'T GIVE ANYONE a pass. I don't give my fellow atheists a pass either. Humans in general worldwide need to understand the difference between hate and bigotry, and criticism and ridicule of bad claims and bad logic.

Jews make up 0.2% of the world population, yet earn 20% of the Nobel prizes. Academia, altruistic professions, sciences, medicine, and the arts are packed with Jews at a disproportionate level compared to our population. Our having stolen the Canaanite deity seems to have worked out very well or us.  

Yes, we have our fundamental nut cases, and they’re a nuisance to us. They make up a small percentage of our community and they’re ultimately our problem because they’re certainly not bothering or proselytizing to you. Jews are overwhelmingly on the side of liberals when it comes to subjects like equal rights, both marriage and civic, we’re fighting to keep church and state separated, we’re pro-choice, and the vast majority of us are arguing that creation, as understood as a magical 6-day event, is not what happened, and no such religious idea should be taught in schools because no religion belongs in public schools at all. By and large, Jew believe that as facts come in, our views should change.

The vast majority of the Jewish population overlaps in so many ways with what I’ve come to learn are the overarching goals of the atheist community. By all rights, we should be natural allies, yet the Jewish community as a whole gets labeled as a religion and I’ve met a few atheists who get stuck on the label and are not willing to find out first-hand what the Jewish community is really like.


I have no doubt that you may have an example of Hindus behaving badly, I’m sure we can find examples of people behaving badly because of their religion, because of their atheism, or for any other strongly held belief having nothing to do with religion. As a whole, are Hindus violent people? As a whole, do Hindus or Buddhists advocate murdering someone who harasses a cow, or are these one-off examples? A maladjusted person can become violent over the grocery store being out of bananas. This doesn’t mean the groups he’s connected to promotes or even condones his bad behavior. 
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Messages In This Thread
The intelligent design - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 1:33 pm
RE: If God of Abraham is true... - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 5:39 pm
RE: If God of Abraham is true, - by KerimF - June 30, 2017 at 3:27 am
RE: If God of Abraham is true, - by KerimF - July 1, 2017 at 4:20 am
RE: If God of Abraham is true, - by KerimF - July 1, 2017 at 12:52 pm
RE: If God of Abraham is true, then why didnt he use his intelligent design to make a new - by Aliza - June 28, 2017 at 12:14 pm
RE: If God of Abraham is true etc - by Cyberman - June 27, 2017 at 2:02 pm

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